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Title: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 02, 2026, 11:39:36 AM
Hello all. While looking after our newborn I've been slowly reading a book on European history.

Specifically  Medieval Europe 400 - 1500 by  (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1862985.Medieval_Europe_400_1500)H.G. Koenigsberger (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/577504.H_G_Koenigsberger) (1987).

It's a bit of an old text (and I imagine there's many newer better overviews), but something I had on my shelf for a few years that I'd been meaning to look at.

My knowledge of medieval European history is quite fragmentary, so what I was looking for was more broader context that could help me hang different bits of my knowledge together better (rather than learning fine details). I'm only half way through so far, but I thought I might post a few observations / impressions so far. Perhaps some of you might have some thoughts they could add? This can also help me solidify some of what I have learned into long-term memory. Otherwise I fear I will have forgotten much of it soon!

I'll start a new post below to get into some specifics.
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: Jubal on August 02, 2026, 11:57:56 AM
Oou interesting, happy to add any thoughts if I can :)
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 02, 2026, 01:35:38 PM
Thanks Jubal!

OK, starting with the transition to the medieval era, and the fall of the Roman Empire. I can do other topics on other days (not much time with the baby to deal with).

I was aware of the fact that the Roman empire split into eastern and western halves, with the eastern half based out of Constantinople, where it would eventually become the Byzantine Empire. And I knew that the eastern half lasted for quite a bit longer than the western half of the empire. But beyond this there was quite a bit of new information here for me to digest.

First off, on the cause of the collapse of the western empire, Koenigsberger briefly addresses the various theories that have been given (and I understand this is still an area of contention / much discussion today?) For example, the increasing number of barbarians within the army. Growing wealth disparity. The cost of looking after such extensive borders, etc.

But his basic argument is that ultimately these issues were not decisive, as we can find them in the eastern half of the empire also, and that did not collapse. What stands out therefore is the invasion of the Germanic tribes, which was initiated (according to Koenigsberger) by the Huns. I can see that other causes for this period of tribal migration are given in Wikipedia.


QuoteThe reasons for the migrations of the period are unclear, but scholars have proposed overpopulation, climate change, bad harvests, famines, and adventurousness as possible reasons.[177] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBrather20101035%E2%80%931036-187) Migrations were probably carried out by relatively small groups rather than entire peoples.[178] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBrather20101036-188)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples)

But unless I glossed over a bit, Koenigsberger really just focuses on them being displaced by steppe nomads.

(Below I'll supplement some of what he says with bits and pieces I'm grabbing from Wikipedia too.)

So, a big early event in this migration is Gothic tribes (such as the Thervingi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thervingi)) being forced by the Huns out of their lands around the Balkans, down into the Eastern Roman empire. The Eastern Roman emperor at the time, Valens, goes to battle to fight them at the Battle of Adrianople (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Adrianople) in 378. Valens is killed. The next Eastern emperor, Theodosius I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodosius_I), signs a treaty with these tribes. They allow them to settle within the Empire.

Later, Alaric I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I) would come to lead some of these Gothic tribes (now known as the Visigoths). Alaric is used by Theodosius, who sent him to Italy to attack the Western Empire in 394 (I'm hazy on the details of why, but I understand some conflict over who got to inherit the Western Empire, with Theodosius wanting to unify the whole thing back under his command?). The idea was to handle two birds with one stone. Subdue the Western empire, and have a lot of the annoying Visigoths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths) die in the process. Alaric was successful (at great cost it seems), and was annoyed at how he was used / under-rewarded by Theodosius. Once the Eastern Emperor was dead the following year, Alaric considered the agreement finished, and started gathering forces. There was a protracted period of various attacks, sieges, deals, retreats, and eventually he sacked Rome in 410 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(410)).

Roman control over Italy (from Byzantium) was later successfully re-established for a time, but it couldn't last. Eventually, the Lombards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Lombards) (another German tribe) moved in, in 568. For the next two centuries or so Italy was contested ground between the Byzantines and the Lombards.

Along with the Visigoths and the Lombards, it seems the Franks were one of the most important Germanic tribes. They were united under their leader Clovis, who founded the Merovingian dynasty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merovingian_dynasty) (which I had not heard of). They came to dominate not just post-Roman Germany territory, but also France / Belgium / Netherlands. This whole kind of western sweep. So what we think of as French culture has some Germanic elements too (like English culture does from the Anglo-Saxons). (Later the Franks would form the Carolingian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_dynasty) dynasty, which is also an important force in the early development of medieval Europe.)

The Visigoths were eventually displaced from Gaul by the Franks, and pushed down into Spain. There they did not have as long a hold (a few hundred years?), so their long-term influence on the development of the local culture was weaker.

Another points Koenigsberger makes that I thought interesting was that the barbarian tribes were relatively small groups (generally 80k or so people at most). In occupying parts of the Western empire, they replaced the existing elites to a degree, but were also in turn gradually Romanized to an extent in terms of different customs, through marriage, etc.

Major Takeaway - Importance of Germanic Tribes

For me, reading this part of the history of early Europe, what struck me was the extent to which the Germanic tribes are a key part of the development of a broader 'European' culture. England. France. Germany. Italy, and Spain (to a lesser extent) were all occupied for extensive periods by these tribes, whose language and customs combined with Latin / Roman culture. In the past, I had only thought of these tribes from the perspective of their role in ending the Western Empire, and didn't really appreciate how extensively they roamed, or for how long they ruled different regions.

Other Things I Learned

I was hazy on the nature of the Celts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts). In reading this section of the book I dug around online more, and finally learned about how extensive Celtic culture was prior to the Romans pushing them out of much of their territory. I didn't really appreciate in the past that the Gauls belonged to the Celtic cultural group, such that both the Gauls and the Britons were Celts. I think I had a feel for it due to how similar they were in Rome Total War, haha, but that might have been it.

I also learned that the Gaels (from whence we get "Gaelic"), although originating in Ireland, also spread to Scotland. From Wikipedia: "In Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin), the Gaels were called Scoti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoti), but this later came to mean only the Gaels of Scotland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Scotland)." It seems that after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the Gaels were successful in expanding further into Wales + Scotland, while the Anglo-Saxons took the lowlands (and later we have the Vikings of course coming in and taking bits and pieces for a while). I'm unclear though on how much of what we understand as 'Welsh Culture' is Gaelic vs the older Celtic Briton culture of that area, and even specifically what differences really exist between Celtic Britains and Gaels. I'd be interested in learning more about this!

Lastly, I think I gained a greater appreciation for how most of the continental lands of the Western Empire (outside of Italy) were much lower in population when compared to the Eastern Empire (to what extent it was depopulated by the Empire's collapse I am not sure). The great urban centers of the Ancient world lay in the East. Which makes sense. The Germanic tribes were culturally not interested in urbanism (or at least, so Koenigsberger claims), and cities in the West diminished quite a bit. The climate of North-Western Europe was also still quite cold in the first millennium AD, and the heavy soil was harder to till prior to the use of iron plows and oxen. This contrasts with the east, which had long been home to relatively large urban areas for longer (kinder weather, soil that was easier to manage with wooden plows, etc.). (Also, Germany, France and England were covered in dense forests of hardwood. Difficult to clear for agriculture without iron tools, which were in very scarce supply.) How this changes is interesting, and something I'm reading about currently, but can leave for future discussion.

Further Reading

If anyone has some recommendations, I wouldn't mind reading some more books on the German Tribes. I feel like our knowledge of them (from what I have seen online) must have expanded a great deal / been re-evaluated since the time  Koenigsberger wrote this book. For example, when it comes to an appreciation of their building skills, etc. discovered in the archaeological records.

I'm curious as to what made them so effective in fighting the Romans? What differentiated the different tribes from each other? What skills and crafts they were experts at, etc.
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 02, 2026, 02:02:10 PM
Oh, and something else I didn't mention above - the adoption of Christianity by the Germanic tribes. Their cultural 'romanization' was also a Christianization. This seems like an important step in the formation of early medieval Europe. 
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: Hufflescruff on August 02, 2026, 03:03:37 PM
Massive congratulations to you ❤️

Also envious how you can process so much information with a New Born. I'm just a functioning zombie right now 😅
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: Hufflescruff on August 02, 2026, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: Hufflescruff on August 02, 2026, 03:03:37 PMMassive congratulations to you ❤️

Also envious how you can process so much information with a New Born. I'm just a functioning zombie right now 😅

Btw, I didn't mean to dismiss your post. I'm just taking my time to read and digest it ❤️
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: Jubal on August 02, 2026, 03:55:49 PM
So, I've had to refresh myself rapidly on this stuff - this is on the area where I know bits but haven't properly studied it since undergrad. But basically, the first thing I'd say is that a lot of this stuff is still very much "live" historiographical debate.

Big questions that there aren't firm answers to here include:

For people whose work you should look at - Guy Halsall, Walter Pohl, Chris Wickham are the names that spring to mind. Halsall is very much the internal collapse theory guy, and argues generally against treating the incomers as a unified category of "Germanic tribes" to begin with, and so might be a good counterpoint to the book you're reading, Pohl is the biggest living specialist on the archaeogenetics and ethnogenesis element of the Germanic tribes, and Wickham is a bit more focused on things like the material conditions. I've also got a PDF of a paper called "Land, Freedom, and the Making of the Medieval West" saved in my undergrad notes that might also be interesting to look at particularly on that dynamic of how the Germanic peoples settle into the Roman world in practice.

Hopefully those are useful thoughts!
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 02, 2026, 04:06:02 PM
Quote from: Hufflescruff on August 02, 2026, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: Hufflescruff on August 02, 2026, 03:03:37 PMMassive congratulations to you ❤️

Also envious how you can process so much information with a New Born. I'm just a functioning zombie right now 😅

Btw, I didn't mean to dismiss your post. I'm just taking my time to read and digest it ❤️
Oh I understand! 

But yeah, I am a zombie to be certain. We are one month in, and I am only managing 5 pages a day on average. So my account is quite fragmented as a result. I feel I've missed a lot and need to re-read with a highlighter.
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 02, 2026, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: Jubal on August 02, 2026, 03:55:49 PMHopefully those are useful thoughts!

Thanks Jubal!  Extremely helpful thank you. I particularly appreciate the point there about the way we think of the identity of the German tribes. I was doing a little more digging elsewhere online (https://historyguild.org/the-germanic-tribes/), and this comment seems pertinent.

QuoteRoman writers characteristically organized and classified people, and it may very well have been deliberate on their part to recognize the tribal distinctions of the various Germanic people so as to pick out known leaders and exploit these differences for their benefit. For the most part however, these early Germanic people shared a basic culture, operated similarly from an economic perspective, and were not nearly as differentiated as the Romans implied. In fact, the Germanic tribes are hard to distinguish from the Celts on many accounts simply based on archaeological records.

That is an interesting point too about how a de-specialization could potentially have meant a positive change for some people. I imagine it was a heavy burden on the peasants of the empire to support the lives of the Roman citizens / elites.
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 02, 2026, 04:17:23 PM
Behold also this map... Some visualization is helpful.  (Visigoths = Western Goths, a term coined by a contemporary Roman. Ostrogoths = the Eastern Goths.)

(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/courses-images/wp-content/uploads/sites/1936/2017/05/31175126/px-germanic-kingdoms-526ce.png)
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: Jubal on August 02, 2026, 05:16:02 PM
Yeah, I love the historical maps in older books :) One of the other big challenges of this stuff is mapping, because it inherently privileges seeing things as if they were post-Westphalian nation states. Theoderic in Italy (this being 526 so the year of his death) is for example directly receiving legitimation and recognition from Constantinople: contemporaries might genuinely have not all agreed if you were to ask them if the Roman Empire ruled in Italy. But we sort it into a "Kingdom of the Ostrogoths" etc because we don't have a good way of showing "well this ruler is sort of independent and sort of not and part of the point here is to come up with legitimacy systems that you prove by making sure they don't come into tension with one another".
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 02, 2026, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Jubal on August 02, 2026, 05:16:02 PMYeah, I love the historical maps in older books :) One of the other big challenges of this stuff is mapping, because it inherently privileges seeing things as if they were post-Westphalian nation states. Theoderic in Italy (this being 526 so the year of his death) is for example directly receiving legitimation and recognition from Constantinople: contemporaries might genuinely have not all agreed if you were to ask them if the Roman Empire ruled in Italy. But we sort it into a "Kingdom of the Ostrogoths" etc because we don't have a good way of showing "well this ruler is sort of independent and sort of not and part of the point here is to come up with legitimacy systems that you prove by making sure they don't come into tension with one another".
Yes that makes a lot of sense. Easier to show in a computer game or something dynamic (Crusader Kings?) than in a static map like this. 

Incidentally, and going back to your earlier point about the difficulty of even distinguishing between "Romans" and "barbarians" at a certain point (within Italy more specifically I mean, and during the era of the fall of the Western Empire.) It seems what we are kind of looking at the relative weakening of the meaning of this distinction over time. But this surely can be considered from multiple axis. It is not just the barbarians understanding themselves (or becoming) "Roman", with what is "Roman" staying fixed. Rather, the concept of what is "Roman" also changing / being enlarged? Perhaps even undergoing some form of "barbarianization" in turn? I imagine that shared Christian beliefs would also have helped to soften this distinction.



Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 08, 2026, 05:46:24 AM
My reading continues. A few scattered thoughts from my phone while I sit with the goblin.

In reading about these various big picture developments - movements of people, invasions and battles, the rise and fall of dynasties - I feel the relative lack of an accompanying sociology or anthropology. To be fair, Koenigsberger is quite good I think in discussing economic and political developments. He mentions things too like childhood mortality and agricultural developments. He is not just dryly rattling off dates and battles. And I suppose he was simply working within the genre of "history" as traditionally understood, especially in the 80s. 

I recall from my undergraduate minor in history that since then there have been pushes to expand on this genre (i.e. histories of workers, histories of women), or to approach from a materialist / Marxist frame. I suppose there must be a good deal of sociological-history too by now. That's something id be interested in.

For example, Koenigsberger doesn't discuss patriarchy really at all. Only indirectly when it comes to subjects such as the Frankish tradition of apportioning land to the kings sons.

I guess I want to understand better some of the basic realities of organised human life that serve as motive forces for traditional big picture accounts of "history", while not reducing said history to mere epiphenomenon.





Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 16, 2026, 02:27:47 PM
I've managed to get a bit more reading done. Currently in the middle of the 1000-1200 period. I'll try and give another rough account of what Koenigsberger outlines, or at least, of the things that stood out to me as particularly important. I'm going to write this off the top of my head, and while I re-read sections there's going to be some degree of vagueness for which I apologise! Anyway, while last time I looked at his account of the fall of Rome and the immediate aftermath, this time my focus is on his account of the "Early Middle Ages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Middle_Ages)" (although I note he doesn't use this term, and his cut off for the major book section on this period is from 700-1000, while typically this term typically designates more the period of 500-1000 it seems). Anyway...

First off, I'll admit I've struggled to come to grips with just how dense things get with the various kingdoms and peoples. There's a lot of political fluctuation, and it seems like a kind of transitory period. The period following the collapse of the Western Empire was one of tribal 'migration', where warrior groups would move into a region, displace the old elites to different extents, and then gradually form new blended cultures with new identities. For example, the Franks in Gaul blending with the Gallo-Romans. The degree to which they succeeded in doing so varied, with more success in places like England and France, where geographically there was less pressure from neighbours, giving them more time to 'work things out' internally.

Outside of Italy, these new western kingdoms / cultures were less urban. There is no longer an urban elite managing vast territories via a central bureaucracy (although this is maintained in the Byzantine Empire). Literacy declines. Records become scarcer. And technologically there is in a sense a 'decline' in the west, with a loss of knowledge about the past, and a loss of the capacity to create the kinds of artistic and architectural achievements that still remained in the environment as a visual reminder of what once existed.

'Restoring the Empire'

Still, something Koenigsberger stresses here that I found interesting was the psychological / cultural impact on the development of Europe that was provided by this 'lost golden past'. He speaks not of a single renaissance, 'The' (Italian) renaissance that I was familiar with already, but of a series of renaissances, of which the famous one was the greatest. There was a general sense among educated peoples that there was a past to look back to, to recover, a culture that could be longed for or emulated. For Koenigsberger this (among an number of other factors) was a driving force for the future 'dynamic' character he ascribes to European history.

This 'great past' included the political project of an 'Empire'. There's a kind of mental step here I've found I needed to make, because from a modern perspective we have our conceptual categories that help us make sense of things, such as 'the Roman Empire' and the 'Byzantine Empire', but of course the way peoples thought of themselves was somewhat different. For example, the Byzantines thought of themselves not as the 'Byzantines', nor as the 'Eastern Roman Empire', but as the Roman Empire, the inheritors of that past. Even though linguistically if I understand correctly their elites were Greek speakers, with their 'Greek' Christian tradition diverging from the Latin Christian tradition centred in Rome that would become the Catholic church. But back to the Byzantines later. What I mean is that the idea of 'recovering the past' for these early European western kingdoms included a 'recovery of Empire', a uniting of the land under one Emperor or peoples.

The above for me feels very important. And I think it speaks to what Jubal was saying about the self-identities of the 'German' tribes. Who in many cases came to feel or understood themselves as 'Roman'. I think this points to the way that the idea of 'Roman' or 'Eternal Rome' transcended any ethnic identity, and was more broadly understood as a kind of universal touchstone of culture. This touchstone was shared by different peoples through their Roman cultural heritage (i.e. again the Franks in taking over Gaul did not wipe away all that existed before, but intermarried with the Gallo-Romans, taking up elements of old Roman culture). There is also the linguistic connection, with Latin being the lingua-franca of the educated western elites, and perhaps most importantly a religious connection, with Rome later forming the hub of Christianity, with the growing power of the 'Bishop of Rome' (who would gradually become politically independent of the patriarch and Emperor of Byzantium - although not in the period we are discussing).

So, we see different attempts throughout European history at 'restoring the Empire' (renovatio imperii (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renovatio_imperii)), and indeed within the complex system of feudal titles that becomes established, the rank of 'Emperor' - if I understand correctly - lingers on as a kind of latent possibility, a formal title that people could claim the right to via birth and military achievements. The 'Holy Roman Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire)' is something I still know next to nothing about really, but I feel I have some context now for understanding why a German Empire would claim this title for itself. Similarly, I believe Napoleon's crowning of himself as 'Emperor' was standing in this tradition (I think Koenigsberger mentions this). He may have effectively been 'Emperor of the French Empire', but what we was harking back to / claiming the glory of was 'Emperor of Europe', inheritor of the glory of Rome.

This goes beyond the scope of our discussion, but this also helps for me as a piece of the puzzle of modern European fascism and how the Italians / Germans conceived of their 'role in history'. The 'glory of Rome' was a touchstone for the development of Europe, a dynamic force that contributed to many cultural efforts, but it was also a potential justification for dominating other nations on the continent.

Anyway, back to the Byzantine Empire for a moment. It seems it had an important role to play in preserving this Roman cultural touchstone not only in continuing to exist (and trade / communicate / politic) with the west, but in its 6th century attempt at reclaiming / re-establishing the Empire, particularly the Italian peninsula.

/Side note
Incidentally, this this initial attempt at "renovatio imperii (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renovatio_imperii)" was undertaken by Justinian I (482-565), i.e. Justinian "The Great". This was the same Justinian who ordered the construction of the still extant Hagia Sophia, and who famously ordered the re-writing of Roman law (the Corpus Juris Civilis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Juris_Civilis)). Koenigsberger claims that alongside the bible itself this was one of the most important texts in shaping the future development of European civilisation. I feel like this is one of those pivotal figures who I would benefit from reading more about, for example in the form of a good biography.
/Side Note

Justinian's attempt was only temporarily (and partially) successful, but (in Koenigsberge's view) it had a very important impact in that it helped smooth out the transition, in effect retaining a degree of cultural continuity between the imperial and post-imperial periods in the west, even if that was primarily in Italy and Rome. He mentions for example that Byzantine's time holding on to Rome helped with the early formation of what would become the Papacy / Catholic church. For example, and this is my own simplification / guess here really, but I imagine the love of rules and regulations we see in Catholic tradition has a certain 'Byzantine' flavour to it, given they were preservers of Roman style codified laws and central administration.

The perhaps ironic thing about this role of the Byzantine Empire however is that while it helped preserve a link in the west to the Roman past, it's own relatively strong connection to that past was in some ways a hindrance. Koenigsberger argues that over the following centuries a reason it lacked the relative cultural 'dynamism' of Western Europe (and I cannot form an opinion on this claim, but perhaps Jubal can chime in here) was that relatively it lacked this sense of a 'lost past'. It still largely had access to the texts of the ancient world, alongside many of the artistic and architectural techniques. It still culturally viewed itself as 'the Roman Empire', so there was nothing it viewed as 'lost' that it could aspire to and try to surpass, even if in reality it was slowly declining and losing that past in various ways. The more pronounced loss of that past in the west conversely fostered a desire to try and reclaim it, which spurred many great efforts. This was an interesting claim I thought. I wonder how this is evaluated today.

The New Kingdoms and their Elites

Anyway, back to the western continent. Koenigsberger speaks of this time (the Early Middle Ages, although he doesn't use this term) as a period where politically the kings would maintain their power by way of largesse. There was little thought yet to building long term institutions (for example, via legal systems). Rather, it is a time of personalities and blood ties. The old tribal culture of 'warrior loyalty' here is the seed that would develop into the more formalised forms of feudal relations that characterise the later 'middle ages'. But that loyalty was a fickle thing. It had to be purchased, via gifts of treasure and land. This meant that wealth gathered via periods of conquest was gradually dispersed in order to maintain power. This dynamic meant that kingdoms couldn't really remain very stable. Empires would rise, but then fall.

Still, through this process we are seeing a kind of ongoing 'development'. There is some kind of dialectic here. For example, we see the rise of small regional powers (and associated titles and such) that might align with one leader or king, and now with another. And so while the lines of the map might change drastically over time, this was increasingly a different kind of change when compared with the wholesale displacement of old elites by new elites when the Germanic tribes were migrating (although this wholesale displacement still happened, with for example the Normans basically supplanting the old Anglo-Saxon elites when they invaded England in 1066).

In other words, this is a time when a new kind of 'noble' elite is emerging. An elite who are intermarrying across sometimes large distances, establishing lineages / heraldry, and are increasingly operating at a level of remove from the common people. I think the 'international' nature of this nobility is hard for us to wrap our heads around when we think in terms of modern states of more recent centuries.

To take an example from a later period, Mary Queen of Scotts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_Queen_of_Scots) was betrothed in 1542 at age 6 to 'Dauphin' (heir apparent) of France, and effectively raised there until she was married to him at 17, becoming 'Queen Consort' of France in 1559 until his death the next year in 1560. She returned to Scotland in 1561. While in France she was apparently taught French, Italian, Latin, Spanish and Greek (along Scots). The elites of the early medieval period were not at all this cosmopolitan, but the early seeds were there.

This is a time of an emerging plurality of power centres, something Koenigsberger lists as another important contributor to the 'dynamism' of European history (alongside the gradual separation of Church and state). Yet the rulers of those power centres were linked, via their shared Roman cultural history and identity towards which they still aspired, as well as via their Christian faith.

A few other related points about this period:

- Trade at this time was still quite restricted. It was often more a matter of exchange of goods, with coins still not in high circulation (although of course this would depend on the region and if we are talking 700AD vs 1000AD). Gradually this would shift as silver mines opened up, especially in Germany, but initially it was mostly a barter economy. Trade was carried out often via the great rivers of Europe, or via special caravans, and Jewish peoples played a special role here. A connected point, but in the early medieval period we still also have limited specialisation when it comes to different craft skills.

- The above simple economic structure makes sense too when we consider that outside of Italy there were few urban areas with more than a few thousand people in them (unlike the great cities of Constantinople, or Damascus in the east).
Overall, the population was still very sparse. One of the reasons I mentioned in a previous post was due to limited agricultural surplus (iron tools to make ploughs for denser soils for example). But Koenigsberger mentions a few other contributing factors.


The Role of the Church

While we are speaking of the Church. Something I should briefly mention is that the Church at this time is still quite different to what it would become in the middle ages. For example:


I haven't bothered to mention the role of the Church in maintaining literacy and access to ancient literature, as this is of course very well known. Although it is worth emphasising that it was a complicated relationship. There was often a deal of antipathy towards 'pagan' literature, depending on the place and time.


The Muslim World

Of course, the Latin western kingdoms and the Greek speaking 'Roman' Byzantine Empire were not the only inheritors of the once united Ancient world. Koenigsberger does give quite a bit of attention to the Arabic world in this period too. Although his primary interest is in the way in which this growing force contributed to the development of Europe. A few interesting things I learned here...


So, alongside learning more about Byzantine and people like Justinian I, I think something I'd like to read about more would be the Muslim world in this period. Particularly with a focus on Arabic philosophy, mathematics, and other learning.



The Church and the Greek / Latin Divide

Finally, Koenigsberger spends some time discussing the growing divide between the Churches of the east (Constantinople) and west (Rome). The Pope (the Bishop of Rome) for quite some time did acknowledge the ultimate authority of the Patriarch of Byzantium, although this was more a formality in many respects. I believe this points in part to the manner in which Christianity had become fused with the 'Empire'. We think today of the heart of Christianity as Rome. But at this time Constantinople represented the peak of political, cultural and economic influence. Still, there were key differences that grew with respects to doctrine, and this was connected also to a growing linguistic Greek / Latin divide. A major point of divergence was the Byzantine attack on religious icons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Iconoclasm) (an 'iconoclasm), which occurred twice.  Once around the mid 800s, and again in the early 900s. This would contribute to what would eventually become a permanent split between the Catholic and Orthodox Christian world.



OK, that's about it for now! Let me know if you have any thoughts or corrections!

Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: Jubal on August 16, 2026, 03:00:28 PM
Re the shorter post above, I'd associate the big wave of sociology coming into history with before this book came out: I think it's more a matter of interests than whether people were doing it, the French Annales school were active in the mid C20th and were some of the first real pioneers of that sort of work.

Some thoughts on the main post:
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 16, 2026, 03:36:39 PM
Many thanks! Very educational points.
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 18, 2026, 08:00:23 AM
My last post was a bit too darn long to put together, so I'm going to try and make the next few nice and short.

The Transition to the High Middle Ages

Koenigsberger outlines how the situation gradually changes in the western kingdoms. A few key points:

Agricultural advances.


Economic advances


Urbanism



Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 22, 2026, 09:28:42 AM
Another entry. This time I'm going to focus on the Crusades. This is largely from a dedicated section, but there are other related bits and pieces from later sections in here too, which makes sense because the period of the crusades is quite long and overlaps with so much else that is going on:


Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 31, 2026, 06:06:52 PM
Oops, and over a week went by. I'm still reading, but I'm finding it hard to get any time to write about. Still, that's unlikely to change in the near future. So I'll try and write a bit more tonight.

Looking still at around the 12-13 centuries...

Something I found interesting that Koenigsberger draws attention to is how early we see the origins of capitalistic enterprise. Even at this early point, when looking for example at the wool trade, we find people in Flanders (I think is one location) doing things like buying fine wool from England in bulk, then paying people to card and spin it within their own homes, then taking that and having it woven by someone else, then taking that and selling it. A kind of 'vertical integration', where they had control over the workers to the extent that they were in cases forbidden from taking on jobs from others. Similarly something like this occurred in Italy (I think Florence) with 'wool guilds'. We have a kind of 'proletariat', but without any factories.

My original understanding of guilds was of a fellowship of craftsmen, who provided communal aid to each other and their community, and controlled things such as who got to be recognised as a 'master', what prices people could charge, and so on. And this is something that becomes more prominent as we move further along. But guilds could also be effectively cartels of a sort, run by wealthy people to stitch up markets and control labour. So it was apparently with some of the wool guilds.

Yes, this kind of 'proto-capitalism' impacted only a very small percentage of the working population. This is the age of the agrarian economy. But still the fact that it is very much visible this stage was interesting. And we can see it already beginning to spread into other areas that required a significant amount of money, such as mining, or ship building.

Italy in particular was perhaps the most important hub of such activities, because of its dominance in trading (and recall previously that the Italians received a boost here in facilitating movement of people and goods for the crusades). But the reason the Italians defeated their rivals for securing this trade, according to Koenigsberger, was because they had the

Quotemost sophisticated commercial techniques; different forms of partnership which allowed them to raise the large amounts of working capital needed for the ships, provisions, goods and wages in overseas ventures that might last many months.

With these partnerships, it was important that merchants be able to ensure each partner could receive the profits or carry the losses of a venture. And so, here we see the origins of 'double entry book keeping'. There is a book specifically about this apparently (https://plusandminus.com/double-entry-bookkeeping-history/). Apparently the inventor (called the founder of accounting and book keeping) was one Luca Pacioli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luca_Pacioli), a Franciscan monk, and a mathematician who taught mathematics to Leonardo Da Vinci of all people.

I want to quote another particularly interesting part here:

QuoteWith the development of the new commercial techniques there developed also new attitudes of mind. Rational calculation of economic enterprise, a numerical, mathematical, assessment of possibilities; and rational mathematical, commercial methods came to be seen as the recipe for success.

We can draw a link between the coming intellectual renaissance, and the growing rational frame of mind among the intellectuals, and the commercial activities, accounting and banking that was taking place. Following from this, you could make the argument (although Koenigsberger does not say in so many words) that indirectly, the blood spilled by the crusades contributed down the line to the development of rationalist philosophy.

A closing thought: I am reminded of something Koenigsberger does say later in the book about a different case: "The achievements and the tragedies of European and human history cannot be easily separated." (p 279) How true.

On the one hand, if we look to anything we consider "good", and we find great harm. Yet also strangely, when we look at many terrible things (the crusades, or the black death), we can find some positive outcome down the road. There is no point at which we can really draw neat lines and isolate these elements entirely. Instead we see good and evil feeding into each other in a kind of dialectic of unintended and unknowable consequences.

It's like that Treehouse of horrors short in the Simpsons.

QuoteShopkeeper: Ah, perhaps this will please the gentleman. [picks a Krusty the Clown doll] Take this object, but beware it carries a terrible curse.
Homer: [worried] Ooooh, that's bad.
Shopkeeper: But it comes with a free frogurt.
Homer: [relieved] That's good.
Shopkeeper: The frogurt is also cursed.
Homer: [worried] That's bad.
Shopkeeper: But you get your choice of topping.
Homer: [relieved] That's good.
Shopkeeper: The toppings contain potassium benzoate. [Homer stares] That's bad.
Homer: Can I go now?



Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on September 01, 2026, 01:43:54 PM
OK, an quick entry focusing on just one element: something I didn't cover earlier when I spoke about the transition to the high middle ages: Internationalism vs Regionalism.

This has been another really interesting part of learning about medieval Europe. In the early middle ages, there was a strong tendency towards internationalism for a small section of the population.

For example, specialised craftspeople (such as stone masons) often needed to be itinerant, because there was only so much work for them in any given region given the relatively small size of the economies (particularly in the western and northern kingdoms). Once a cathedral was completed, for example, you'd move on to the next place where a project needed more help. And that next place could be in an entirely different part of Europe.

The literate class in the west (scribes, priests, merchants, and such) also shared a common language in Latin, which they not only wrote, but spoke. In part they were simply inheriting the literary culture of the empire. In part, it was also a result of the internationalism and of the Catholic church. But also, this internationalism again here reflected the underdeveloped nature of the regions. Regional populations and economies were still too small for them to really function as intellectual or artistic hubs in and of themselves.

In other words, the loss of the urban centres in the west - which only very gradually built up to having populations in the tens of thousands - the smallness of the regional economies, these conditions fostered a certain internationalism among artistic and literate people out of necessity. This internationalism contributed to the development of a kind of post-Roman, pan-European culture. For example, a 12th century cathedral built in France and a 12 century cathedral built in Germany could look very similar.

Yet as we move into the high middle ages, regionalism begins to gain dominance. Not to the exclusion of internationalism, but it is now a countering force. As regions began to increase in population, as they grew wealthier, they developed their own kind of gravity, as it were. More craftspeople and intellectuals could work within the borders of a given place. More books were written in regional languages. More intellectuals could find learned company to collaborate with or study under without having to head to Italy or Paris.

This regionalism also had political implications. In the early middle ages, the 'universalist' claims of the imperial title or the Church were dominant. And the Church worked hard to secure its power as something standing above that of empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_between_the_Church_and_the_Empire), working within that framework. Yet as kingdoms grew in power, they could more easily assert their own independence vis. the universalist claims of the Church. This lead in one instance to the French crown squaring off against the Papacy at the opening of the 14th century, with agents of the French king actually capturing and mistreating the then pope such that he died. The Papacy was subsequently moved to Avignon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon_Papacy) for nearly 70 years, with all 7 popes of that period being French! (Although that I understand that doesn't mean the Papacy was rendered entirely subservient to the French crown, and that Avignon / southern France at that time was a relatively independent region politically and culturally.) This is for Koenigsberger quite symbolic of the growing power (economic / political / intellectual) of the regions.

Some of my own general thoughts on the above phenomena:

In my own mind, I realised I tended to think of 'internationalism' in an overly simplistic way, whereby regional economic development leads to greater specialisation, which leads to greater trade between regions, and in turn fosters an interchange of people and ideas. From this perspective, Europe should be more 'international' as we move into the middle ages, not less. While this may have been true in terms of trade, intellectually and culturally it was (in certain respects if not entirely so) the opposite! And this is really instructive. The viability if you will, of a place to stand on its own feet, culturally, artistically, intellectually, can mean it can afford to be less connected, less international in outlook. (Naturally, this is a complex subject, and there are countervailing tendencies at work. With the printing press, for example, we see an enhancement of internationalism thanks to the ability of people to more easily read what those in other places are writing.)

And indeed, if you look at the world today, you see plenty of examples of this. The Dutch, for example, are famously good at speaking English. And well they should be, given they are a small country. They cannot expect to get far speaking Dutch outside of the Netherlands. Similarly their large companies are very international. I doubt you would be getting a job at one if you spoke no English! In France though it's a different matter. You can get along pretty nicely culturally and economically (and even travelling to quite a few places, like ex-colonies) speaking just French. You could also contrast the international, export-oriented nature of South Korea's music industry to the domestic consumption-oriented music industry of Japan, which has twice the population. Or consider how China's cultural exports in the form of film and music largely remain restricted to their own cultural / linguistic sphere. In part because they can afford for this to be the case. China is big enough. There's no need to sell movies to Americans.
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on September 03, 2026, 06:02:23 PM
OK, baby is asleep! Another history post before I go back to work.

Let's talk Russia, as that's fresh on my mind. I wonder if Jubal might have some thoughts on this one too given the historical link between Russia and Byzantium.

Koenigsberger goes into some detail in a few sections on how Russia's social / political structure came to differ fairly markedly from what we see in the west. More specifically, he is offering a kind of explanation of how Russia came to be particularly dominated by autocratic government. I'll list his points below. But by all means I am also keen to hear any counterfactuals or qualifications. I wonder to what extent his analysis holds up today, and how much it may be coloured by the politics of the time in which the book was written (still prior to the fall of the Berlin wall).

But, assuming for now the premise: "Since the medieval period, Russia has been more autocratic than western Europe." Why does Koenigsberger think so? (And again here, we are initially speaking also of 'Russia' before 'Russia' even really exists, so there's an ambiguity here.)

First, early on, there is the form that Christianity took. Koenigsberger mentions Cyril and Methodius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_and_Methodius), two Byzantine Christian theologians and missionaries who went to spread Christianity to the Slavic peoples. For the purpose of translating the bible, they devised a new script known as Glagolitic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glagolitic_script). This was a precursor to Cyrillic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Cyrillic_alphabet), which incorporated some Glagolitic elements. Koenigsberger point out that Christianity in Slavic regions at this time was received through this filter of what was translated, and what was translated was very scarce. There was lack of access to the kinds of pagan literature or theological commentaries that helped lend more ambiguity or nuance to Latin Christianity. This contributed to Slavic Christianity being relatively more dogmatic or conservative.

Second, the impact of the Mongols. The Mongols were able to dominate Russian territory for quite a long time (I think for some 200 years). Koenigsberger does not develop an argument about any general cultural impact of this (although he notes a few things that the Russian princes learned through collaborating and/or fighting with them, such as the importance of information networks). But something he did point out that I thought was interesting was the significant migration of peasants it caused. For a long time, Moscow was not a particularly developed area. It is remote. It is cold. People were living further down on the plains around the big rivers. But with the coming of the Mongols, many moved further north into regions that were only rarely attacked by Mongol raiding parties. Moscow was once such place. This is not the only reason it turned into a great capital - this was also a political achievement - but it was an important element. However, while these peasants were welcomed into the region, they weren't integrated into the kinds of reciprocal duty / obligation relationships you often see in feudal Europe. They were more or less at the mercy of the Princes.

Third, the lack of separate city-based power units. Something I learned early on this book was how in the west larger cities came to operate under different rules to the rest of a kingdom. Quite early on, cities developed a degree of autonomy, and people living there understood their relationship to each other separately to their relationship as a vassal to their lord. Yet Koenigsberger claims that this kind of 'civic identity' and political / legal independence didn't get a chance to take root in Russia. Novgorod did hold its own for a while, but was eventually conquered and subjugated underneath the rulers in Moscow. Koenigsberger also contrasts how, while houses in western European cities would front on to the street, houses in Russian cities would face inwards towards their own courtyard, and often be surrounded by fences. He suggests this was reflective of that lack of 'civic' mindedness.

Fourth, the later subjugation of the Church under the government. Koenigsberger claims that secular / religious tension in Latin Europe - or to put it differently, the power struggles between the Catholic Church and the different kingdoms - was a source of 'dynamism' that worked against autocratic tendencies / mentalities. Meanwhile, Russia followed the lead of Byzantium, in linking Church and state much closer together. Later, they gained increased independence from the Patriarch of Constantinople, and understood themselves as an independent centre of Orthodox Christianity, like a kind of 'new Byzantium'. Then in the 18th century the Russian government formally took over the Russian Orthodox Church, such that it was like a branch of the state.

So to sum up, we have...

1. An early tendency towards dogmatic interpretations of Christianity.
2. Migrations away from the mongols enhancing the power of the princes vis the peasants.
3. A lack of independent cities.
4. Subjugation of the Church under the government.

I think for Koenigsberger these factors set the scene for what would come later with the empire and then the Soviets.
Title: Re: Medieval European History
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on September 13, 2026, 08:34:41 AM
Huzzah, huzzah. I have at last completed my read of Koenigsberger. I think it took two and a half months to work through a little under 400 pages, but given the newborn baby and also returning to work (and time spent learning book binding) I think that's not too bad a pace at all.

I don't think I can finish all my thoughts up in one post, and I feel I have skipped over much and can't (shan't!) really try to provide a comprehensive summary. But let's see what I can still dredge up from the past few sections, going over The Black Death first, and then The High Middle Ages, before discussing the final chapter on the Italian Renaissance. I might then close with some Final Thoughts or something. So that's four more posts including this one! Onwards.


The Black Death

So, the great plague (1348-50) apparently wiped out 30%-60% of all Europe? It seems this number has not been significantly revised since Koenigsberger's book came out. Globally 50 million or so died (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death). Which is quite shocking indeed.

Here's some things Koenigsberger has to say on it:

- Spread into Europe from the Asian continental interior via eastern trade routes.

- The growth of the cities (and their unsanitary conditions) helped hasten the spread.

- Of course, this had a huge psychological / cultural impact. He does not expand upon this too much, beyond mentioning a few quotes from the time, the flagellants, and (if I recall) how it is reflected in art and writing. There's an online article (https://www.montana.edu/historybug/yersiniaessays/medrano.html) that looks at this in a little detail here.


QuoteThe trauma of the Black Death gave rise to the most popular artistic channel for the representation of death, the Dance of Death. There are indications that first the dance macabre was performed, then poetized, and finally painted. Before the15th century, the Dance Macabre was traced on walls of churches and charnel houses across Europe, gathering in its train rich and poor and young and old, exemplified by the fresco of Eure-et-Loir. In Europe every victim was danced off to hell no matter what: sudden death was escalated to sudden damnation (Binion, 2004). The dance macabre, based on folk superstition represented by the skeletons themselves, or accompanied with the living had a second social and spiritual lesson, that death is always coupled with the living. In the dance of the death, the corpses often tug or draw the living to death (Cohen, 1982) (Fig. 5).

(https://www.worldhistory.org/img/r/p/1500x1500/12031.jpg.webp?v=1747538347)
The Triumph (https://www.worldhistory.org/Roman_Triumph/) of Death (https://www.worldhistory.org/disambiguation/Death/)" (Dutch: "De triomf van de Doods"). By Dutch artist Pieter Bruegel the Elder (c. 1525-1569 CE). Oil on panel. Made c. 1562 CE.

- Many villages were altogether wiped out. Hundreds in total it seems. Cities also grew smaller and poorer. Overall the population took centuries to recover to where it was prior to the great plague (although population growth had been stalling prior to it, with Europe already seemingly hitting the limits of what could be secured from the land with the technology / techniques available at that time. There was also a great famine prior to the black death.)

- Economically / politically / socially, the drop in labour supply increased its value, decreased the value of land, and also helped to decrease the cost of things like clothing. So while this was a catastrophe for people, there was also a positive legacy with respects to the material conditions of the common people and their descendents.

- The above shift in turn helped to hasten the demise of feudalistic relations. The increased value of labour meant it was easier for serfs to find better conditions (and free or very cheap land) in other regions. The lords / land owners were incentivised to compete for labour, hastening a shift towards (if I understand rightly) the end of serfdom in general. Peasants increasingly came to have "permanent, inheritable tenures" or temporary yet "usually long-term" leases. Koenigsberger emphasises that this development was already underway, with the plague simply hastening it.

- And furthermore, this shift in relations helped to further fuel the rise of popular revolts, that would continue to occur throughout Europe until their culmination in the age of the great revolutions in France and Russia. The first big regional revolt hit maritime Flanders between 1323-1328, twenty years prior to the Black Death. But in the years following we see such cases increase. For example, with the peasants revolt in England in 1381. One of the cries of the peasants at this time was for an abolition of serfdom. It might seem strange that the situation could be improving for the peasants, and yet this lead to revolts. Yet I suppose psychologically? the expectations for a better lot were now possible, and this was what lead to clashes with the elites. Koenigsberger says that "modern sociologists" refer to this as "disappointment of expectations in a generally improving situation."

- These revolts took on a religious character (or utilised Christian thinking to critique the status quo.)

QuoteWhen Adam delved and Eve span
Who was then the gentleman?
(1381 - the England Peasants.)

This was quite alarming for authorities: "Obedience to authority was central to all morality, and rebellion was the fruit of the most deadly of the seven deadly sins, pride."

-  Still, it was not until the 15th-16th centuries that the scale of these revolts really became serious for authorities.
 
- It was not just the relation of liege lord and serf that the plague impacted, but also the relation between lord and vassal. But this was also an acceleration of a trend already present. Here we see the rise of what some historians have called "bastard feudalism", where money was paid in lieu of military service. This was a shift towards a relationship of "patron and client", rather than lord and vassal. This was highly flexible and adaptable, but also more open to corruption.

- The plague struck repeatedly in waves until as late as the early 19th century! Judging purely from this fact, I imagine that (apart from gradual spread of immunity), the improved sanitation of cities by this period helped to put a stop to it. But I'm just guessing.