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Title: Combat Sports
Post by: SaidaiSloth on August 10, 2014, 06:34:45 AM
Hey, let's talk combat sports! Karate, judo, MMA, cat martial arts, wrestling, whatever you want

And hey, to stir up some discussion, rate how well you can fight on a scale of 0 - 5

0 - Hadouken!.... where's the fireball?
1 - Bitch slap
2 - My grandma showed me how to punch
3 - I did some martial arts as a kid, and can still remember them / I'm doing martial arts now and I'm OK
4 - Doing martial arts now, decent at it
5 - MMA Expert


(I rate myself a 3.5)
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Gen_Glory on August 10, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
I don't mean to brag but I have read a book on bartitsu

So if you come upon me whilst I have an umbrella or am on a bike... you have been warned
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Jubal on August 10, 2014, 12:58:14 PM
I think I'm about a three. It's not that long since I did judo and I could still adopt the stance and execute basic throws with little difficulty; I tend to have a major combat disadvantage on account of being five foot six and very lightly built, though.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: comrade_general on August 10, 2014, 01:24:47 PM
1

Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Clockwork on August 10, 2014, 01:39:33 PM
Well, I've been in five fights and won two of them, but they were the most recent two so I reckon I'm getting better. I read a marine combat manual though that my dad had but that has more kill moves than required for pub brawls. Despite my size I can actually take some decent hits now, just got used to it I guess :P

I'd rate myself about a 3 on how well I can fight, I don't know any actual martial arts but I can brawl ok. Also, being in an actual fight isn't exactly how you imagine it. The other person moves more and quicker and you can't pull off awesome combos. To win, you need to watch for the first swing then attack immediately also, always keep an eye on the person you think is most likely to start. Not fighting is better, unless you want to but even then only provoke someone instead of starting it yourself. And don't fight angry, it makes you do stupid things like run and jump for a flying punch but you get punched in the gut so hard you're sick. Or something.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Phoenixguard09 on August 10, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
Some good stuff in there Rob. :P

I did combat fencing for a few years and got pretty good at it. Unarmed, around a 2.5 probably, but with anything from a short stick and upwards, I'd say maybe 3.5-4 in proficiency.  Probably closer to 3.5 now than 4 though. I've developed physically since then, but I'm rusty.

I once took down my significantly larger friend with a toy drumstick for example... :P

As for tips, when knife-fighting, go for the wrists. If you can disarm your opponent by disabling their primary hand, go for it. Easiest to do when they're using an icepick grip, just intercept with your own blade and let their own momentum do the damage.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Jubal on August 10, 2014, 02:23:18 PM
Yeah, I'm generally good at not being angry when fighting. And I do better if it goes to ground, and probably would do better if armed - anything that decreases my opponent's probable height, reach, and weight advantage is nice. Size makes much less difference when you're trying to armlock someone*, and none at all when you're in a strangle or choke hold.

As for armed fighting, hammers/axes would probably be my weapon of choice more than blades. I have no finesse/skill at all, but I'm pretty good at maximising the force of an impact from years splitting logs with hammers & wedges. (Fun thing to do; stand around near one of those "test your strength" machines at a fair, watch big people thump it with two hands at a bad angle/height and fail, then go in and do it one-handed. They're surprisingly easy if you get the pre-swing right and can maximise the speed of the hammer; which is of course the trick, they're not testing strength at all, they're testing the application of force.)

With all that said, not fighting is massively my preference where possible; Saruman-style, my greatest weapon is probably my voice (and ability to talk things out).

*Note that a big enough differential here can still be a problem. I once got into a good armlock position on a guy who was a bit over 6 foot and about 126kg (well over twice my weight); he just sat up then stood up, with me still clinging onto his arm. Embarrassing, but hilarious retrospectively. :P
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: comrade_general on August 10, 2014, 03:02:20 PM
Never had any formal training, never been in a real fight, never even got any pointers from grandma, so yeah; 1. :P

Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Clockwork on August 10, 2014, 04:00:21 PM
That's all you need matey, bring guns, lots of guns :D
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: TTG4 on August 10, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
I'd go for 4, been doing ITF Taekwondo for 11 years now, with 3 years dabbling in WTF as that was the university club. Recently graded to 3rd degree.

Having never actually been in a situation where I need to use it, I can't predict how I'd react, you can have the best training in the world, but if you can't keep cool in a combat situation it'll count for nothing.

Though since they put WTF Taekwondo in the olympics I keep having to point out that although they have the same name they're massively different with a hugely complex set of tangled roots!

At the other end of the scale you get people who mock it for being useless in a bar brawl, we know that, and we wouldn't be stupid enough to try a flying kick in a street situation, which is why we have elements of grading sylabuses and such like that are more practical.

Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Clockwork on August 10, 2014, 11:16:17 PM
Didn't mean that TTG4, just somebody like me who goes through fights in their head with how they're going to destroy somebody with this awesome thing they saw in a movie is going to get a slap of reality (like I did). On what you said initially though, I've seen decent size guys that you think would be good have just flaked and pulled punches because they've got no killer instinct, they just don't want to hurt the other person. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that btw, just saying it does take more than what you know *and* how big you are.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: TTG4 on August 12, 2014, 04:24:24 PM
Yeah I wasn't targetting it at anyone, just ranting in general. It is a decent point though, if I only cared about applying it to a fight it'd be more efficient to go do something like MMA or Krav
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Jubal on August 12, 2014, 09:45:55 PM
I get the impression a lot of MMA fighters wouldn't be much use in an actual fight because everyone involved in that sport who I've met is on such a permanent ego trip that they'd think they could charge a tank and win (I'm sure there are good people who do it, but it does seem to attract people who like the idea of being tough guys).
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: TTG4 on August 13, 2014, 12:59:36 AM
I get the impression a lot of MMA fighters wouldn't be much use in an actual fight because everyone involved in that sport who I've met is on such a permanent ego trip that they'd think they could charge a tank and win (I'm sure there are good people who do it, but it does seem to attract people who like the idea of being tough guys).

Yeah that's a point, but they do practise constantly in a more realistic scenario with fewer rules. I wouldn't enjoy it, too much testosterone floating around, but I suspect it's more applicable.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: SaidaiSloth on August 13, 2014, 07:05:03 AM
I got my blue belt black tip in Kyokushin Karate, and have studied some basic judo, boxing, jiujitsu, taekwando, and Shotokan moves
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Pentagathus on August 13, 2014, 06:38:49 PM
Been doing judo for a couple of years now, fairly good at it but I've got a long way to go still. I want to do a bit of MMA or muay thai just to try something new, wouldn't particularly want to compete in either one though. I'd love to give sambo a try, its basically russia's answer to judo and its probably more like old style judo than modern IJF judo is.
I don't know how well my judo skills would transfer into a real fight and I don't intend to find out. I'd guess its probably one of the more useful fighting sports in terms of self defence as you get used to physically moving someone else about, how to land and avoid injury and also it teaches you a fair bit of humility and a general respect for any opponent as they often aren't the easy win they might look like.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Jubal on August 13, 2014, 10:29:36 PM
Unless they're me. I'm the easy win I look like :p
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: SaidaiSloth on August 14, 2014, 07:44:15 AM
Yeah, if you want real self defense stuff you wanna look into stuff like Krav Maga, the SPEAR system, the marine corps martial arts, or bacon. (I'm not kidding, that's a thing.)

check out this krav maga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjmBPFPTq-g

Seriously, don't just go "I'll watch it after school, watch it NOW. Awesome martial art.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Phoenixguard09 on August 14, 2014, 01:36:04 PM
I also know judo, as in, ju-don't know who you're messing with. :P
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Pentagathus on August 14, 2014, 06:24:34 PM
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Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: SaidaiSloth on September 10, 2014, 10:34:58 AM
This is from a movie, but still an awesome fight and no wirework or ridiculous fighting moves (Captain America: The Winter Soldier)
If you don't know who the winter soldier is, and plan to watch the movie, stop at around 3 minutes in (fight ends there anyway)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3XsavEIURE#t=105

Chris Evans trained in Ju-Jitsu, Karate, Boxing and Gymnastics but I see a bit of krav maga and taekwando in there as well. (makes sense as the choreographer is a taekwando champion and they were trying to go for a brutal military style, hence Krav Maga.)

Another awesome fight from the same film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7ytDsQJCk (MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT !!!!!)
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: comrade_general on September 10, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
Captain 'Murica.

Portugal yeah.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Pentagathus on September 13, 2014, 06:41:21 PM
If you want to watch bitching fight sequences try The Raid, bit gruesome but its awesome.

Just had a give it a go session for the various martial arts clubs here, I think ours went really well so we should get lots of beginners turning up when we start training. Which could be annoying since we'll have to teach the buggers but tis always nice to have more bodies on the mat.
I also tried a bit of submission wrestling whilst training with the MMA club, I'd be keen on training with them but there is no way I'd compete in that. I thought strangles were uncomfortable, neck cranks are horrendous.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Tom on September 17, 2014, 02:30:24 PM
I just watched Captain america this weekend, the fight scenes in it are awesome as you have less Hulk smash style of fighting (even though that is awesome in a slightly different way) which is a bit different to usual.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: SaidaiSloth on September 19, 2014, 07:19:07 AM
For anyone looking for some self defense skills I highly recommend Darren Levine and John Whitman's complete krav maga book. You can pick it up on the kindle store on any device.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Pentagathus on February 04, 2015, 12:27:15 PM
I've had some really good training this year, partly thanks to a change in attitude (more focus on technique and also making sure I actually enjoy training again) and also largely thanks to some awesome coaches. My judos improved a huge amount and it only needed me to focus on a few very basic things. My ground game is also a hell of a lot better now, I used to be pretty good at avoiding stuff but never really managed to win much on the ground, now I'm actually able to pin down an experienced judoka 1.5 times my own weight and hold him there which is pretty damn cool. I've got a competition this weekend and I'm fairly confident I can win a gold at this (still fighting kyu grades and its only up to 2nd kyu) and then I've got BUCs at the end of the month and I'm confident I can achieve a medal of some sort, not too worried whether I do or not though as long as I have fun doing it.

I've also been doing a fair bit of MMA and some self-defence orientated karate (the coach for this is awesome, he really knows what  he's talking about as well since he's a guy my height who used to work as a doorman so he had plenty of guys trying to take him on) and I'm seriously thinking about taking part in a rookie tournament at the end of march. I need to work on taking hits to the head and keeping my guard up but I've never been too worried about getting hurt anyway so I might as well give it a go. My only real worry is that I'm a very aggressive fighter and since its a comp mainly for first time fighters I'm not sure if the other guys will necessarily have the same sort of attitude as me. I mean I'm kind of ok with trying to portugal up someone who's actually prepared for it but if they're not I'm not going to enjoy fighting them.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Lizard on February 04, 2015, 03:09:02 PM
I'd rate myself between a two and a three, in a style which is a mix of kick-boxing and cat-like fighting (by which I mean lots of hissing, spitting, scratching and biting. I have no shame).

I also shoot, UK-legal air guns and a recurve bow - so if I'm armed and at distance I will do a LOT better. I am a GOOD shot. Even if I do say so myself.

Didn't realise you guys were all so cantankerous, though. Wouldn't want to meet any of you in a dark alley.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Jubal on February 04, 2015, 06:08:35 PM
I've probably slipped down to a two since this thread was started :P
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: TTG4 on February 04, 2015, 06:30:12 PM
So at my home club there were 4 or 5 of us at the same level, so it's been a culture shock moving to the new club down here, based in a place called Bungay if any people know Norfolk.

The main instructor is one grade above me and his assistant is one below, so I've ended up doing a lot of teaching. Don't mind that though, nothing quite beats seeing someone improve once you've worked with them on something. Not competed in ages though, not sure if I can be bothered getting back into it, I think I prefer reffing/judging to competing!
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Pentagathus on February 04, 2015, 06:34:29 PM
in a place called Bungay
Oh you poor bastard.

@Joobs
Well then stop messing around with all this studying stuff nonsense and get yourself to training :p

@Lizard
We're not cantankerous. Sure, you wouldn't want to meet Khan in a dark alley but then you wouldn't want to meet him in a well lit one either. Or in a public park. Or on an internet forum.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Lady Grey on February 06, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
I would rate myself around a 3.

I did karate for a while when I was younger, but mostly it's because I'm stronger than I look. :)

Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Pentagathus on February 08, 2015, 10:27:54 AM
So I won my fights pretty comfortably this weekend, really need to move up the grades so I can fight brown and black belts at these smaller comps.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Pentagathus on March 30, 2015, 06:32:07 PM
Fought in my first amatuer MMA tournament yesterday, won a silver medal which is pretty cool. Had to stop the final though because I got a toe in my eye, since it was an accident he got the win. He was definitely winning on points at that time anyway though, but considering my opponent had been boxing for 5 years and doing K1 for two years and I'd only started a bit of MMA training in september I'm still pretty damn happy with how I fought. Not happy with my eye though, it really hurts. Also making it very hard to sleep.
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Jubal on March 30, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
Poor you :( Well done for getting the silver though!
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: comrade_general on March 30, 2015, 07:08:25 PM
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Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Lady Grey on June 16, 2015, 08:08:27 PM
I found out when we visited Alton Towers that I'm pretty good with a longbow. Hit the centre of the target first time (and then almost every time :P )
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Lizard on July 05, 2015, 08:04:50 PM
I found out when we visited Alton Towers that I'm pretty good with a longbow. Hit the centre of the target first time (and then almost every time :P )

When you say 'longbow'... do you mean longbow? Or recurve? And what distance were you shooting at? *is an archery nerd* :P
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Lady Grey on July 07, 2015, 01:20:07 PM
It was a historical reproduction longbow (with less draw weight) :) I don't know what distance - probably not very far! :P
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Lizard on July 08, 2015, 06:39:45 AM
That's cool, longbows are pretty difficult to fire!
Title: Re: Combat Sports
Post by: Pentagathus on October 10, 2015, 08:04:37 PM
Been at the Glasgow European open today (just spectacting of course), was much good judo. A bit of boring judo too, but mostly good stuff.