Exilian
Site Questions & Governance: The Citadel Quarter => Archived boards May 2017 => Site Archive => Questions and Suggestions - The High Court => Rumours => Topic started by: Silver Wolf on August 20, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
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Hey, I'm not a 40K person only, I can also give some info for WFB from time to time!
What the background in the WD tell us:
- I hope you didn't like Kislev, because there is no longer a Kislev.
- Archaon advance have been stalled by Vlad under the order of Nagash (the Empire was in major trouble).
- Nagash goes fighting to unite the Tomb Kings and VC (one of the scenario pictured in WD translate into "the Fall of Settra").
Regarding miniatures/rules:
- Nagash is magnificent, and very very tall thanks to his flying posture (he is supported by a bunch of souls).
- But he's not that massive overall, I have no idea how he managed to reach the 85€ pricetag.
- Not a dual kit.
- No other models that week, but the ones serving under him are hinted at the end of WD for the week after (so I suppose Vlad and that Arkhan dude, note that I know the WFB lore very poorly).
- As people expected, the new magic lore appear to work like Demonology for 40k (except with undead).
- Rules are changing with that extension, 50% lords for example.
Ok ladies and gents this is what I have heard.
The end times will be coming after grey knights which means they will be going up for pre order 23rd, there will be Nagash, Nagash end times campaign book, plastic spirit host, Mannfred and nightgheist / Arkhan the black / Neferata on some undead monster plastic kit.
There will be a battle report in WD, Nagash vs Tomb kings army, Nagash fights them on his own. He is very expensive.
He can be taken in any undead army. Undead are running rampant through the warhammer world and because of this undead units can be taken in any army.
Enjoy.
And new models:
http://smallscalestudios.com/end-nigh-nagash/
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Also KEEP YOUR PORTUGALLING HANDS OFF MY BELOVED KISLEV GAMES WORKSHOP. OR THERE WILL BE A RECKONING. :balrog:
As for the models, Mannfred has lost all the Hammer Horror cool which used to be his trademark. Not a fan.
Neferata I agree should get her serpents back and lost the stupid, stupid hat.
Ugh. Just urgh.
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So here are my thoughts...
Is this even Warhammer, or did I click the wrong link?
Nagash looks somewhat acceptable.
Spirit hosts look like dryads. Too bad. The possibilities for these guys were endless. Right now they just look like simple conversions.
The rest just feels wrong. Looks detailed and all, but feels wrong.
The mounts are just over the top and silly.
Neferata looks like a love child of a Dark eldar wearing a vampire skirt and sporting an extra silly hat. Also the serpent from her staff is gone (which was mentioned in the books), so that's a huge fluff mistake. Mounted on a big something which appears to be an out of place mix of everything.
Arkhan the Black took a part time job as a Yu-gi-oh! villain apparently. His chariot magically turned into a floating skull thing (ohhh, scary) due to budget cuts.
Mannfred model looks kind of clunky, but acceptable. His mount looks like a 40k transformer Digimon.
Morghasts? I don't even know where to start. Could be a good thing for 40k chaos players, though. Could be a nice base for the Night Lords Daemon prince.
I hate the new anime style.
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There are also some rumors for 3 Nurgle kits later on (supposedly for WoC, not the Daemons).
Chaos chosen were also mentioned.
Tomb King colossus and hierotitan may also be happening soon, as well as some Skaven models.
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Also, some terrain pieces shown in Triumph and treachery:
(http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5507&d=1383412450)
(http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5508&d=1383412477)
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Heirotitan.
Just let that sit in your mind for a moment, mull it a bit, and say it again.
Heirotitan.
WHO THOUGHT THESE THINGS WERE A GOOD IDEA
*breaks down sobbing*
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If GW manage to turn me off the Warhammer setting from a fluff perspective, (They've already succeeded from a gaming perspective and from a miniature collecting perspective. I still loathe 8th ed and everything it stands for.) well, I just don't know.
But it's looking that way... KISLEV! I wanted them back as a playable army, not to go the way of the Squats!
Let's go through the models. Before I do this, I might just add that I have been scathing in my reviews of GW miniatures since I saw the new Imperial gryphons. Let us begin.
Nagash looks... Impressive I guess. Can't complain too much there.
Spirit Hosts finally get models and, well, again, not too bad. I actually don't mind them. And of course there's nothing to stop you from still doing what most everyone else did before there were plastic models for them and take cheap units from other armies and paint them white.
Morghasts.... Seriously? What in the holy flying portugal are they supposed to be!? Forged from the ruins of divine warriors? So they're constructs? But made from dead... angels? What?
Mannfred. Agreed with Silver on the mount. Looks stupid.
As to Neferata and Arkhan, well at least they get models. :rolleyes:
I think the worst thing about these models is the weird armour plating on them. They look mechanical and they really shouldn't. :(
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Actually I was always hoping that the spirit host get models similar to this in design:
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130813203257/mightandmagic/en/images/2/25/Heroes_V_Ghost.png)
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Mannfred has some really naughty special rule that allows him to exchange up to three power dice from his magic reserve for attacks. I.e. if he wants he can 'sacrifice' three dice and get +3 attacks until the next turn (bypassing the "no more than 10" rule, getting 12 attacks).
Valten is back (he can be fielded either as anonymous blacksmith's son with rags and two hammers, either as the Avatar of Sigmar with his full armor, barded warhorse and Ghal Maraz).
Crom the Conqueror also back.
As predicted, new armylist (basically TK + VC combined).
Nagash literally tore Settra apart.
Arkhan kills Eltharion when he tries to rescue the elf princess.
Thorek dies when he destroys some cave trying to slay Neferata.
Morgana (Fay Enchantress) dies too.
Balthazar Gelt becomes a Necromancer
Vlad is back. He helps Empire against Chaos and also against Walach Harkon (whom he slays).
Karl Franz ends up missing in action.
Luthor Harkon (the vampire pirate, he had his own rules and army in a WD like 10 years ago) joins Nagash in Khemri. Great battle before the city gates. Khalida beats Neferata but Neferata flees.
THE LORE OF UNDEATH
Lore attribute - when castin an incatation (new type of spells for this lore), each counter used gives you +10pts for the total amount you can raise.
Signature spell - 9+ to cast; raise 100pts of infantry (Nagash triple that). Boosted on 16+ for 150pts.
Spell 1 - 6+ to cast; Heal 1d3+1 wounds to the target.
Spell 2 - 7+ to cast; Hard to read, but it's something that give a single attacks that if it hit, is multi-wound D6 with no save. If this kill a character, you gain D6counter for the lore attribute.
Spell 3 - 8+ to cast; 2D6 +2 minus the target Ld to cause wounds with no armour. If you do at least one wound, you get D3 counter for the lore attribute.
Spell 4 - 10+ to cast; Summon a unit of Warbeast or Swarm of up to 75pts. Boosted at 16 +, raise 150pts.
Spell 5 - 10+ to cast; Summon a Character of up to 65pts. Boosted on 24+, can then summon a Monster, Chariot (singular) or War Machine of up to 200pts.
Spell 6 - 16+ to cast; Summon Cavalry, Monstrous Cavalry or Chariots (plural) of up to 150pts.
Also, the book costs £50, and Nagash £65.
If other releases turn out to be like this, I'm getting out of this hobby.
That kind of money is too much for a single miniature, regardless of it's point cost in game.
He looks pretty damn huge though:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120207023_Nagash02.jpg)
And here's something about Valten:
Valten can be included in an Empire army. His point cost counts towards the Lords category.
Equipment;
Two hand weapons.
Options: can replace his two hand weapons for full plate armour, barded Warhorse and Ghal Maraz 145 pts.
If this option is chosen, Karl Franz cannot exchange his Reikland Runefang for Ghal Maraz. The rules for full plate armour and Ghal maraz can be found on page 31 and 54 of the Empire Army Book.
Special rules:
Immune to Psychology.
Chosen of Sigmar [same as Luthor Huss: see Empire AB. FvS]
Awesome Presence
Valten and all friendly units within 6” have the Stubborn special rule.
Iron Resolve
The first time that Valten suffers a Wound that would remove him as a casualty (including unsaved Wounds which would have killed him as a result of the special rules Killing Blow, Heroic Killing Blow or Multiple Wounds), roll 2D6, before removing him as a casualty. If the result is 9 or less, Valten ignores the Wound. With any other result, Valten is removed as casualty as normal.
If these rumors are to be trusted, it seems like Valten lost his über form seen in Storm of Chaos, in which he had a special elven steed and a magical suit of dwarf plate armor forged for Sigmar himself in the early days.
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Deciphered rules (not translated, as I know nothing about Spanish :))
Morghast Harbinger; Unit size 2+, two hand weapons, heavy armour. Hover and killing blow. Friendly undead units within 12 inches crumble by one less.
Morghast Archai; Unit size 2+, Halberd, Full plate (4+ armor). Hover and Killing Blow. Same crumble thing as the Harbinger.
Arkhan the Black; Level 4 wizard, access to Lore of Death and Lore of Undeath and can mix them. If he inflict at least a wound during CC, roll a dice. On 6+ he regain a wound. Crumble one less than normal (can be combined with other modifier). Also he can march. Arkhan double the number of points raise with the Lore of Undeath.
Magic item - Sword; Eachj wound cause heal him by one, maximum of 4 regained wound per phase.
Staff; Can store magic dice. Doesn't seems to talk about a limit.
Neferata; Level 3 wizard, access to Death, Shadow, Vampire, Undeath, and can mix and match. Can regain a wound on 6+ like Arkhan. If she kill a model in challenge, you get a free Vampire that you place within 12 inces. Enemy are at -1 to hit her, except for Khalida.
Magic item - Sword; If she wound in challenge, the enemy loos 1S, 1T and 1A permanatly. But can only be affected once.
Staff; When Neferata cast a magic missile, a direct damage or an hex, the target suffer an additional D3 S5 hit.
Mannfred; Level 4 wizard, access to Death, Vampire and Undeath and can mix and match. Can use up to 3 magic dice to get +1 attack per dice (can go beyond the maximum of 10). Also have the ability to heal a wound on a 6+.
Have the MAter of the Black Arts power. Also he double the range of the Lore of Undeath.
Magic item - Sword; Each unsaved wound gives him a magic dice. Maximum of 5 dice can be gained with it per phase.
Armor; Heavy Armor with +2 wounds (already in profile).
The Return of Nagash is up on Black Library for advance order and there is a sample up too. The sample's prologue sets up a lot of the End of Times world so I thought I'd share that with you here. The framing is Manfred scrying in a bowl of blood and looking around the world. These are the main things he sees in order;
-A twin tailed comet
-A "storm of chaos" sweeping the world; random deamonic manifestations are popping up all over the world. All small and lasting only a short time.
-Valkia is leading a huge Khornate army against Naggarond
-Massive daemonic incursion in Lustria. The jungles burn.
-Huge daemonic invasion of Ulthuan.
-In Brettonia Mallobaude, the bastard son of Leoncouer, leads a joint army of disgraced knights and the undead (backed up by Arkhan of all people) kills his father.
-Deamonic invasions of the dwarf hold Copper mountain and Neferata's Silver Pinnacle, but the deamons just pop out of existance half way through the battles.
-Massive Nurgle-y plague in Middenheim
-In Athel Loren the Vaults of Winter break open and the great trees, including the Oak of Ages, split open to reveal they are filled with maggots.
-Gotrek chopping up beastmen in some Kislevite city. No sign of Felix.
-Another daemon invasion in Averland. This one too, just disappears as soon as it hits the walls of Averheim.
-Massive stone monoliths, big as skyscrapers grow out of the ground around the world. Become focal points for beastmen to flock to them.
-Riots in Nuln. Nobles attacked and either hanged or torn apart. Implied death of the Countess.
-The Tsarina is still alive in Kislev leading a counter-attack against Chaos horde.
-The Green Knight takes off his helmet and is revealed as Giles le Breton returned (later in the sample it says he killed Mallobaude).
-A multi-province Empire army defeats a Chaos army lead by Vilitch the Curseling as he besieges them.
-Chaos hoarde attacking the Great Bastion.
-Tomb Kings, Dwarfs, Greenskins and Orges all readying for war and Skaven launching large scale invasion on Tilea and Estalia, quite successfully.
-At the north pole 4 impossibly gigantic deamon armies are forming. 4 Exalted daemons bow to Archaon.
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Actually I was always hoping that the spirit host get models similar to this in design
Homm5 or 6! Great games, accents for the pseudo Japanese Naga were beyond awful though :P
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Endtimes will have 4 Books;
Book 1 will release Late August
Book 2 with Chaos releases in October.
Book 3 with Skaven releases in January.
Book 4 with other Forces releases in March.
Shortly after this WFB 9th Edition arrives. The Rulebook releases at the same time of year as 40k 7th did in 2014.
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So they're killing off like half the special characters in Warhammer? Wut?
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I don't like half of them anyway. :P
No, in all seriousness, this is too much. I understand moving the timeline forward, I'm all for it, but this is ridiculous.
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Me neither.
I just don't understand all the hype.
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1. Nagash was resurrected through Volkmar's body (Luther Huss for Arch Lector?)
2. The kidnapped elven chick was actually not the daughter of Finubar, but is now a vampire.
3. Tilea and Estalia are "destroyed" by the Skaven.
4. The Horned Rat (who is a female) kills the foremost Council of 13 member and demands that the infighting end.
5. Mazdamundi states that, "The plan has failed. The time for exodus has come."
6. The Fey Enchantress is the daughter of the Lady of the Lake, who is Alarialle, a minor Elven deity. The Fey Enchantress was killed.
7. Teclis is trying to unlock a vortex and is accompanied by someone referring to him as nephew.
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Eltharion and Belannaer are gone, Eltharion turned to dust by Arkhan the Black and Belannaer destroyed after Mannfred Von Cartsein threw something akin to purple sun at him and his regiment of Swordmasters, Belannaer threw up a shield, but Mannfred used it as a distraction to plant a seed into the mind of a swordmaster who attacked Belannaer and cut him down the back, disrupting the shield which then obliterated the unit.
Mannfred seized a female elf prince from Tiranoc and has turned her into a Vampire that nows resides in Drakenhof Castle. Volkmar is dead, having been used as a vassal for Nagash to possess and return in, Morigana Le Fey is dead, her throat slit and used to pool around Volkmar's feet.
Aliathra, the supposed Everchild (Daughter of Everqueen and Phoenix King) is also dead she was used in the same way as Morigana, however what Arkhan and Mannfred didn't know was that she wasn't the child of the Everqueen and Phoenix king but actually the Everqueen and Tyrion, this she had the blood and curse of Aenarion within her. This was transfused into Nagash who is now cursed and sapped of power thus making his attempt at battling Chaos a lot harder and slower.
All this in the end was actually manipulated by none other than....Teclis and Malekith working together! Teclis sacrificed not only his brother's daughter, but also Eltharion and Belannaer so they he could weaken Nagash. This was done so that Nagash didn't simply rush off to confront Chaos and ultimately lose, but instead to make Nagash significantly weak enough that he would be more cautious and in the end contribute to the war effort in a lesser but useful way.
It's all going off in a big way. Marius Leitdorf's brother who was Grandmaster of the Knight of Sigmar's Blood is also dead, he got suckered in an ambush after he moved to far ahead of his High Elf allies and ended up being drained of blood by Mannfred. Mannfred was wounded by Eltharion who he couldn't beat in physical combat and was beaten when a near dead Stormwing used his last strength to raise up and fall on top of Mannfred, this allowed Eltharion to use his sword to pierce the barrier guarding Arkhan with his magic sword, which disintegrated after getting him through, so Eltharion tried to beat Arkhan with his fist, but Arkhan put his hand on Eltharion vambrace and turned him to dust.
Other points, the Bretonnian King is gone, considered dead at the hands of his Bastard Son, who in turn eventually has his head cut off by a returning Gilles le Breton. All of Tilea and Estalia has pretty much been enslaved by Skaven apart from some which got entirely obliterated by Daemon incursions. Settra is awake and has awoken every Tomb King.
Malagor the Beastman Shaman's army, which was been directed at stopping Nagash by the Chaos gods was suckered into following one of Mannfred's general's which ended with them coming into contact with a huge army from Karak Kadrin lead by the Slayer king, the Slayer king was responding to Karl Franz in asking for help to support the High Elves and Empire army sent to deal with Nagash, the battle with the Beastmen though left 8 out of 10 Dwarves dead and 1 out of 10 unable to fight, so despite wanting to die in a glorious fashion, he did his kingly duty and returned to his hold.
The Everqueen came seeking the aid of the Wood Elves to recover her daughter, they agreed and sent Araloth to aid them, but after finally defeating a banshee sent to slow them, they came upon Araloth's Goddess and she transported them to Ulthuan. Loren itself is beset by Beastmen and a sort of plague that is making trees rot and their queen very very ill. For some reason it was Drycha who deliver Morigana le Fay to Mannfred after the Battle of Quenelles.
Also the Amethyst College has disintegrated as Nagash attempts to make himself the Avatar of Death Magic.
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Ungrim and the dwarfs defend Avenheim thanks to Gelt’s Crucible but, in the end, they sacrifice themselves while imperials and bretonnians flee. Ungrim’s slayers fight against Zhufbar’s hosts.
Nagash offers Mannfred to the elves as a sing of good will, snaring him in a prison made of death magic.
Be’lakor frees Mannfred and tells him the truth about Lileath. He is later found by Jerrod (Be’lakor’s plan all the time) and tells him the truth about Lileath. Jerrod lets Mannfred live, who then flees and calls her. She admits the truth, saying that she is the Lady of the Lake, and also that she pushed Bretonnia out of the Stone Age and saved them from the greenskins and themselves. She says that she won’t ask for forgiveness, because the sacrifice of Bretonnia was needed to create the Haven. Then Be’lakor appears when Jerrod is about to kill her. They both fight and the demon defeats Jerrod (but does not kill him), and turns to kill Lileath, but Malekith and Tyrion pop out and trap Be’lakor.
Jerrod returns to his people and tells them about the Lady. They decide not to fight alongside the treacherous elves, returning to Bretonnia. No more is known of them.
After the fall of Averheim, the Incarnates face the daemonic host. The battle is hopeless, so Lileath sacrifices willingly to Teclis in order to give him the needed power to move them to Middenheim. A titanic battle takes place there, and the incarnates travel to the caverns located beneath the city, where Archaon, the Swords of Chaos, and the 4 greater daemons with their respective hosts are waiting. Grimgor fights Arachaon and almost defeats him, but Archaon manages to kill the orc. Then Archaon faces Sigmar, the Emperor, who after a long battle defeats him, throwing him inside a rift created by the Old Ones’ artifact that the chaos guys activated to destroy the world. The surviving Incarnates, aided by Teclis (who now holds the winds of Fire and Beasts), try to close the rift. They could have succeeded, but Mannfred betrays his master (Nagash) killing Gelt. Teclis tries to absorb the wind of Metal, but fails and dies, so the rift feeds on them and sucks out all the Incarnate’s powers. Archaon appears again, climbing out of the rift, and faces SIgmar one more time. They both are last seen fighting against each other, with Ghal-Maraz being held by Archaon as Sigmar tried to smash him. Meanwhile, Malekith saves Alarielle from being crushed by debris, and then she and Tyrion turn their backs and walk away while the Eternity King dies in pain, with his legs crushed. They both look back at the growing rift while the darkness swallows them.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jETvpvbvKBU/VQAq2iqrHCI/AAAAAAABbRY/qVqeVLbuCCY/s1600/B_zAz5cWcAAZu0A.jpg)
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I feel like in some ways there's some interesting setting creation going on.
But it isn't... well, it just isn't Warhammer. Given the apparent scale of the changes I'd almost rather they'd ditched WHFB and left it and just started a whole new setting, which might have made more sense.