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The Street of the Clerisy => History, Science, and Interesting Information - The Great Library => Topic started by: comrade_general on October 01, 2014, 12:34:54 PM

Title: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on October 01, 2014, 12:34:54 PM
http://www.google.com/maps/about/behind-the-scenes/streetview/treks/pyramids-of-giza/
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on October 14, 2014, 09:12:41 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-29595359
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Glaurung on November 08, 2014, 05:57:31 PM
This one probably counts as history: it's an animation of a thousand years of political geography in Europe, with border changes and the appearance and disappearance of various political entities.

I think it's a copy of the original promo video for the Centennia Historical Atlas (http://www.historicalatlas.com/); the current promo is better quality but covers a rather shorter period:
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Glaurung on December 05, 2014, 01:18:38 PM
Some legal history this time: apparently some of the oldest surviving laws in England are due to be repealed. These are a couple of chapters of the Statute of Marlborough (passed 1267; see Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Marlborough)) relating to the power of distress (the right of a landlord to seize a tenant's goods in lieu of rent). The power of distress was abolished by a law passed in March this year, so the relevant chapters are now redundant. A BBC News article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30334812) has more details.

On a personal note, it's oddly pleasing to me that legislation so old is still in force; I think it appeals to my sense of tradition and historical continuity.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Tom on December 07, 2014, 11:02:37 AM
Don't we have a load of silly old laws though which are not in effect anymore? Like shooting a welshman with a bow if he is on your property or something?
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on December 07, 2014, 12:10:10 PM
I think you're thinking of the law that allows you to shoot a Scotsman as long as he is within the city walls of York and carrying a longbow. I think that's been repealed already though.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Glaurung on December 08, 2014, 01:12:23 AM
I've heard of similar ones allowing the shooting of any Welshman within bowshot of the walls of either Chester or Shrewsbury after sunset. I think it's not clear that there were ever actual laws to this effect; if there were, they have almost certainly been repealed at some point as conflicting with the law on murder.

Tom: your general point is right, though - there are various old laws still nominally in force but having no effect. The two Statute of Marlborough chapters are part of a package of over a hundred acts or parts of acts proposed for repeal, most of them being relatively recent.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Tom on December 08, 2014, 10:43:14 AM
I wonder what the most recent case is of someone actually doing one of these things without getting prosecuted for murder or something?
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: TTG4 on December 09, 2014, 02:50:25 PM
I've heard of similar ones allowing the shooting of any Welshman within bowshot of the walls of either Chester or Shrewsbury after sunset. I think it's not clear that there were ever actual laws to this effect; if there were, they have almost certainly been repealed at some point as conflicting with the law on murder.

If I remember rightly, these were royal edicts given in a time of conflict and that later laws banning killing by a citizen made these invalid.

What amazes me most about this Marlborough Statute is that some of the rights it gives to tenants are still useful!
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Glaurung on December 09, 2014, 10:31:02 PM
What amazes me most about this Marlborough Statute is that some of the rights it gives to tenants are still useful!
That doesn't surprise me so much: I don't think the relationship between landlord and tenant has changed very much over time, even after 700 years. And we still rely on some of the rights from Magna Carta which is almost 800 years old.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on December 11, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Although Magna Carta as inscribed in law is newer: the Magna Carta wasn't formally adopted in law until after the Marlborough statutes IIRC.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on March 08, 2015, 01:33:53 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2983404/Massive-tomb-Celtic-prince-unearthed-France-Exceptional-2-500-year-old-burial-chamber-reveals-stunning-treasures.html
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on July 23, 2015, 11:00:55 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33436021

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What may be the world's oldest fragments of the Koran have been found by the University of Birmingham.
Radiocarbon dating found the manuscript to be at least 1,370 years old, making it among the earliest in existence.
The pages of the Muslim holy text had remained unrecognised in the university library for almost a century.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on September 24, 2015, 03:27:15 PM
http://www.history.com/news/archaeologists-unearth-intact-pre-roman-tomb-in-pompeii?cmpid=Social_FBPAGE_HISTORY_20150923_240461611&linkId=17281603
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on November 22, 2015, 01:55:34 AM
http://www.sciencealert.com/an-entire-ancient-island-has-been-rediscovered-in-the-aegean
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on March 31, 2016, 01:12:41 PM
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/ancient-etruscan-text-may-reveal-identity-gods-and-deities

Sorry for the IFL link. I unfollowed them a long time ago.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on April 03, 2016, 06:24:25 PM
Ooh, awesome :)

Meanwhile the biggest history yay of the past week has probably been the news that Palmyra may be in rather better shape than we feared - ISIS seem to have wrecked some gorgeous temples, but most of the Roman ruins are still standing fortunately.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/palmyra-ruins-not-destroyed-isis_uk_56faa7c2e4b0691b0c563a7c
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Glaurung on April 18, 2016, 12:02:16 AM
And, nearer to home (at least for UK people), some more Roman ruins (a villa, to be specific) discovered by someone laying electricity cables in his garden! Apparently the site hasn't been touched for 1,400 years, so it's very rich archaeologically.

Details, as ever, on the BBC News site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-36062538).
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on April 21, 2016, 06:35:01 PM
There's a buried one in the village near my house in Norfolk that's only ever been partly excavated - I imagine there must still be really quite a large number across the UK (which presents certain difficulties in terms of long-term preservation).
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on April 21, 2016, 10:15:46 PM
Yeah I've got Roman ruins on my land too.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on April 22, 2016, 01:39:15 AM
...that's rather more interesting, you might want to get someone to look at that :P
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on June 25, 2016, 12:35:24 PM
http://globalnews.ca/news/2785544/archaeologists-discover-skeletons-coins-in-ancient-pompeii-shop/?sf29605258=1

Nice looking coin, funny looking guy on it.

Is the edge misshaped due to being tumbled around in the ground? Surely not because then the markings and face would be deformed as well. Then it would seem they didn't make the thing perfectly round in the first place which doesn't make sense because they were perfectly capable of doing so.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Glaurung on June 25, 2016, 01:41:41 PM
I suspect two things:
- The rim has been hit against something hard at some point; it's gold so it would dent easily
- The coin has been "clipped", i.e. it's had bits cut off the edge to steal some of the gold. This would account for the irregular edge in the lower left quadrant in the picture.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on June 25, 2016, 02:42:46 PM
That could be. Though it seems like most old coins have irregular edges even the non-gold ones.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on June 25, 2016, 07:48:41 PM
It's that the coin wasn't made round - they could make round objects with moulds or whatever for jewellery, but most ancient & medieval coins were generally made by striking a blob of metal with a marked die & hammer, which doesn't lead to nice perfect round coins but is a considerably quicker & cheaper process than pouring molten metal into moulds.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on August 08, 2016, 12:08:08 AM
http://www.seeker.com/pompeii-victims-bodies-revealed-in-scans-photos-1770334701.html?slide=qNxQAZ

Better teeth than modern day British. ;D
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on June 06, 2018, 06:02:17 PM
Today is D-Day.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Tusky on June 06, 2018, 07:33:37 PM
Better teeth than modern day British. ;D

I am highly offended by this

As an English person - to have our distinctive brown wonky teeth bundled in with the boring white straight teeth of the Welsh and the Scottish
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on June 06, 2018, 08:41:28 PM
Sorry m8 :(
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on June 07, 2018, 12:44:33 AM
Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force!

You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped and battle-hardened. He will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944 ! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats, in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to Victory!

I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty and skill in battle.
We will accept nothing less than full Victory!

Good Luck! And let us all beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on December 15, 2018, 06:38:20 PM
So this is really cool:



(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/02FA/production/_104826700_egypt14.jpg)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46580264

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Archaeologists in Egypt have made an exciting tomb discovery - the final resting place of a high priest, untouched for 4,400 years.

Mostafa Waziri, secretary-general of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, described the find as "one of a kind in the last decades".

The tomb, found in the Saqqara pyramid complex near Cairo, is filled with colourful hieroglyphs and statues of pharaohs. Decorative scenes show the owner, a royal priest named Wahtye, with his mother, wife and other relatives.

Archaeologists will start excavating the tomb on 16 December, and expect more discoveries to follow - including the owner's sarcophagus.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on December 15, 2018, 06:45:20 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on January 03, 2019, 09:14:01 PM
Another fun one:

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(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/108D2/production/_105049776_foto3.jpg)

Archaeologists in Mexico say they have made an important discovery, uncovering a temple to Xipe Tótec - the pre-Hispanic "Flayed lord".

Historically, throughout the region, priests paid tribute to the deity by wearing the skin of human sacrifices.

Items relating to the deity were discovered at a site in Puebla state, and believed to date from 900-1150 AD.

Mexican archaeologists say the find may be the earliest dedication to Xipe Tótec discovered in Mexico.

Worship of the God, who represents fertility and regeneration, is known to have later spread throughout Mesoamerica during Aztec times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46746842
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on January 03, 2019, 09:58:48 PM
It puts the lotion on its skin!
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on March 17, 2019, 11:20:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/17/nile-shipwreck-herodotus-archaeologists-thonis-heraclion

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In the fifth century BC, the Greek historian Herodotus visited Egypt and wrote of unusual river boats on the Nile. Twenty-three lines of his Historia, the ancient world’s first great narrative history, are devoted to the intricate description of the construction of a “baris”.

For centuries, scholars have argued over his account because there was no archaeological evidence that such ships ever existed. Now there is. A “fabulously preserved” wreck in the waters around the sunken port city of Thonis-Heracleion has revealed just how accurate the historian was.

“It wasn’t until we discovered this wreck that we realised Herodotus was right,” said Dr Damian Robinson, director of Oxford University’s centre for maritime archaeology, which is publishing the excavation’s findings. “What Herodotus described was what we were looking at.”

This seemed pretty cool :)

Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on March 18, 2019, 12:36:43 AM
portugal yeah Herodotus coming through in a clinch.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on May 09, 2019, 12:08:02 PM
Nice report on a Saxon tomb:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-48203883

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The remains of the timber structure, which would have measured about 13ft (4m) square and 5ft (1.5m) deep, housed some 40 rare and precious artefacts.

Among them was a lyre - an ancient harp - and a 1,400-year-old box thought to be the only surviving example of painted Anglo-Saxon woodwork in Britain.

Gold coins, the gilded silver neck of a wooden drinking vessel, decorative glass beakers and a flagon believed to have come from Syria were also found.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on May 09, 2019, 12:16:50 PM
Sneat.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Pentagathus on May 21, 2019, 04:45:33 PM
Big bling. Guess that Essex stereotype is pretty old.
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on June 07, 2019, 01:13:47 AM
75th anniversary of D-Day
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: comrade_general on June 08, 2019, 12:00:32 AM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/idme-wordpress-military/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/06203419/d-day-graphic1.png)
Title: Re: History yays
Post by: Jubal on June 08, 2019, 11:46:51 PM
Lots of really interesting interviews with the veterans as well. So few of them left now...