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Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 06, 2009, 03:24:17 AM
I thought I would create a new topic, since this way I can update the OP, which makes things a lot easier.

Overview

Amazon Total War is a partial conversion for Rome Total war version 1.5 or Barbarian Invasion version 1.6. There are separate versions of the game for each executable. It uses the mod:switch option, so it will not interfere with any of your original game files. Be sure you apply it to a clean install of RTW, as you may experience ctd's when entering battles if not.

ATW adds three new Amazon factions to the game: Amazonia, the Valkyrja, and the Gorgons. These belong to a new culture, that of the Amazons, with new units, generals, retinue members, and traits just for them. My inspiration for this was the Amazons of legend, and I have tried to keep everything in the mod in the spirit of those legends. So just as legend has it, the Amazons are outstanding archers and horsewomen. They also fight in the standard greek hoplite style, as well as having some troops using the sagaris, an axe that was a signature weapon of the Amazons (and where calling a woman an "old battle-axe" comes from). As the Amazons were not known to be sailors of any repute, I have limited them to recruiting biremes and triremes.

As the Amazons were reputed to be the progenitors of the Sarmatian people, I have also created a new Sarmatian faction, occupying their ancestral homelands between the Don and Volga rivers. I have tried to emulate their close ties by making Amazonia and Scythia begin the game as Allies. While the Valkyrja and the Sarmatians begin as allies as well. I have also made Sarmatian mercenaries recruitable in Amazonia, as well as Amazon mercs recruitable across the steppes.

While all Generals are female, the spies, assassins, and diplomats remain male by design. These men would be specially recruited from the Amazons courtesan class of men, or from men in foreign lands. The reason being that in the world outside of Amazonia men can move far more easily through society than women can. Due to the constraints of the game's hard coding, they will all have female names however.

But Amazons and are not all that is different in ATW. The original game map has been modified by the inclusion of 31 new territories. Most of them are located in North Africa, the Steppe, and the mountains of Armenia. Scythia has been moved to its more historically accurate starting position in the Crimea and lower Ukraine. It has also undergone a large change in its unit roster, now having many more infantry units of better quality than before. This reflects the effects of their having become partially sedentary at the time the game begins.

Every Barbarian faction now has a 4th tier of development. There are many new units, including Onagers for all Barbarians. Maiden Axes have been added to Britannia and Gaul. Chosen Slingers added to Britannia, Carthage, and Iberia. Dacia and Thrace now have Chosen Falxmen. Gaul and Germania have regular Archer Warbands. Mercenary Cretan Archers and Rhodian Slingers are now recruitable by the Hellenic factions from their home islands. Scutarii are now recruitable by Carthage. Elephants and Noble Cavalry have been added to Numidia, Noble Cavalry to Iberia, and Heavy Cavalry have been added to the Greek Cities.

In addition I have tweaked the stats of many units, such as increasing the range and damage of all Slingers, reducing the attack of Warhounds, and increasing the attack and defense of Iberian Infantry and Equites, and increased the defense of Naked Fanatics. Many factions have had their unit recruitment trees altered, with most temple units now being recruitable from a regular barracks instead.

The game's corruption triggers have been changed so as not to kick in until your treasury reaches 100,000 and 150,000 denarii respectively. So you do not have to worry as much about making too much money.

Every faction has a Legendary Artifact associated with it. Each is unique, and had can only be possessed by a member of its parent faction. These artifacts are represented in the game as retinue members, and give their holders very significant bonuses. If lost through character death there is a random chance they will reappear later in the game.

As this is an early release there is still work to be done. The general portraits are also only placeholders. Permanent ones will come in a future release. I have disabled the pre-battle speeches of the Amazons, and will also create new ones in a later release, and possibly add strategic map sound effects for Amazon units.


Download Options

There are two separate copies of Amazon Total War. One for use with the Rome Total War executable, and the other for use with the Barbarian Invasion executable.  

Amazon: Total War 2.5c For BI - Full Version (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=40)

Amazon: Total War 2.5 for BI to 2.5c Patch (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=52)

Amazon: Total War 2.5c For Rome Total War - Full Version (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=41)

Amazon: Total War for RTW 2.5 to 2.5c Patch (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=53)

Saves from 2.4 or earlier are not compatible with 2.5. Savegames from 2.5 are compatible with 2.5c.

Installation Instructions

Unzip the file you download to your base Rome Total War folder (i.e. the one with RomeTW.exe in it). When you are done you should see the folder "amazon" alongside your data, logs, Miles, preferences, saves, and other folders. Like so:

RTW
:-amazon
:-bi
:-custom
:-data
:-logs
:-Miles
:-preferences

Now create a new shortcut for Amazon Total War.

For more information on editing the Command Line of Rome Total War look here (http://rtw.heavengames.com/rtw/mods/tutorials/command_line/index.shtml).

If you have downloaded the RTW version, then go to your RomeTW.exe file and right-click on it.

If you have downloaded the Barbarian Invasion version, then go to your RomeTW-BI.exe file and right click on it.

An options box will pop up.

Move your mouse down to "Send To". Another box will pop up along side the first one.

Move your mouse over to "Desktop (Create Shortcut)", and click on it with your left mouse button.

Now go to your Desktop and you will see the new shortcut there, named "Shortcut to RomeTW.exe"

Right-click on the new shortcut, and a box will pop up.

Click on Properties in this box.

A new window will open up, with three tabs across the top. If the Shortcut tab was not already selected, click on it.

Click in very right end of the box named Target.

Now add in a space and then the following text: -mod:amazon -show_err

So your Target box should look something like: "C:\Program Files\Rome Total War\RomeTW.exe" -mod:amazon -show_err

Now click on Apply.

To rename it something more descriptive click on the General tab.

There will be a field at the very top of the window. Type in: Amazon Total War.

Now click on Ok. You are done.

Optional: I have included several  desktop shortcuts which you may wish to use. While you still have the Shortcut Properties window open, click on the Shortcut tab, then click on the Change Icon button at the bottom of that window. A Change Icon window will appear. Click on the browse button to navigate to your RTW\amazon folder. You will find several.ico files there. Select the you would like by double-clicking on it. Then back at the Change Icon window click on Ok. Then finally click on OK again to close the Shortcut Properties window.


Some Screenshots

Amazonian Agema Axweoman fighting a Macedonian Hypaspist.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia11.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia11.jpg)

Amazonian Militia Hoplites vs. Thracian Infantrymen.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia04.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia04.jpg)

Amazon Cavalry ready their bows.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia05.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia05.jpg)

Amazonian Hoplites hold the line against a Thracian General's charge.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia08.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia08.jpg)

Amazonian Axewomen on the move.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia09.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia09.jpg)

An Amazonian Captain.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview84.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview84.jpg)

Amazonian Agema Archers lay in the weeds.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview85.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview85.jpg)

Amazonian Chariots in action.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview90.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview90.jpg)

The Sacred Band of Carthage stands against the Gorgon Horde
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_carthagevsgorgons07.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/carthagevsgorgons07.jpg)

Gorgon Armoured Elephants charge.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon01.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon01.jpg)

Gorgon Agema Axewomen taunt their foes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon16.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon16.jpg)

Thracian Bastarnae.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_thrace02.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/thrace02.jpg)

Thracian Noble Cavalry skirmish with the enemy.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_thrace05.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/thrace05.jpg)

Thracian Peltasts hurl their deadly javelins.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_thrace03.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/thrace03.jpg)

The Maiden Axes of Gaul wait patiently for their chance to decapitate an unwary foe.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview21.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview21.jpg)

The Chosen Slingers of Briton in action.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview24.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview24.jpg)

Carthaginian Scutarii prepare for a volley.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview27.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview27.jpg)

Poeni Slingers under heavy fire.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview28.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview28.jpg)

The Chosen Falxmen of Dacia attack.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview29.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview29.jpg)

Spartans Charge!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview104.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview104.jpg)

Numidian Noble Cavalry.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview113.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview113.jpg)

Numidian Elephants on the move.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview114.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview114.jpg)

Spartans brace for a Gorgon Elephant charge.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview129-1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview129-1.jpg)

Sarmatian Noble Cavalry deliver a devastating charge.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_sarmatianpreview05.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/sarmatianpreview05.jpg)

Sarmatian Virgin Cavalry desperately battle the Bosporan Infantry of Scythia.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_sarmatianpreview07.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/sarmatianpreview07.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 06, 2009, 03:25:40 AM
Faction Preview: The Gorgons

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon_symbol-1.png)

The Gorgons are the third and final Amazon faction. Very different from Amazonia and New Amazonia,  the Gorgons have spent the last thousand years in the desert. This has caused them to shift from the strong hoplite and chariot base that the other Amazons possess, and instead are based on skirmishing, maneuver, and sudden, devastating charges. A desert faction, they incorporate camels and elephants into their ranks, and all of their units receive bonuses when fighting in the sand.

In the RTW version they begin with the settlements of Dimmidi and Theneste, and are poised to sweep north through North Africa. Before them awaits their former home of Triton, now in the hands of their hated Greek enemies. In the BI version they instead begin as a horde, making them the terror of North Africa.

RTW
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon19.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon19.jpg)

BI
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview134.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview134.jpg)

Quote
Thousands of years ago the Amazon tribe of the Tritoni lived upon the sacred island of Hesperides, which lays off the Libyan coast. However, an earthquake destroyed their city and forced them to flee to the mainland. There they encountered another Amazon tribe known as the Gorgons. The two initially clashed, but soon they put aside their differences and united with a third Amazon tribe called the Pallantids, forming a single nation. Even their religions integrated, with their new pantheon of deities including Medusa of the Gorgons, Sipylene of the Tritoni, and Athena of the Pallantids. They settled upon the shores of Lake Tritonis and built the great city of Triton to be their capital.

Under the rulership of the legendary Queen Myrine the Great, the Gorgons expanded eastward along the coast of Africa, up through Phoenicia, and finally conquered Asia Minor. However, far too over-extended to hold this vast tract of land, they were forced to gradually withdraw from most of their new-won territory after the death of Myrine. Only on the Thermodon plain in northern Asia Minor did they retain the colony of Themiskyra, ringed by fortresses to protect it from the encroachments of the nearby Greeks.

It was those Greeks who spelled the doom of the Libyan Amazons. Brought into direct contact by the conquests of Myrine, the Greeks and Amazons were natural enemies. They competed for trade, political influence, and most especially were from totally antithetical cultures. The Greeks supported rebellions in the areas conquered by the Amazons, and after they withdrew enlisted their populations in anti-Amazon alliances.

For centuries the conflict went on, until finally the Gorgons were driven back to their city of Triton. There an allied-Greek army led by the Athenians laid siege. Unable to storm the impregnable walls of the great city, the Greeks settled into a blockade to starve out the Amazons. After long months the end of Triton came suddenly. The exact cause of her demise remains shrouded in mystery to this day. Some say that a priestess of Athena murdered the Amazon Queen and let the Greeks into the city. A theory lent support by the fact that afterward the Athenians brought the worship of Athena back to their city (and indeed renamed it to Athens after her). In any case, the Greeks entered the city and in an orgy of blood lasting for three days they slew every living thing. Not even the livestock were spared.

Yet some of the Amazons managed to escape across Lake Tritonis with their men and children. This rag-tag band took advantage of the Greek preoccupation with the slaughter of Triton and fled south into the desert, hoping that even the blood-mad Greeks would not dare to pursue them into the trackless wastes. Many died in the terrible exodus. Dark rumours still circulate that in order to survive, the living were forced to drink the blood of the dead and eat of their flesh.

In time the remnants of the once proud Libyan Amazons came to a place of refuge in a mountain range far from their former home. Here they found shelter from the sun in the caves, and hidden sources of water deep within the earth. They learned to adapt to their desert surroundings and bided their time, knowing that one day vengeance would be theirs.

That was over a thousand years ago. Now even the Greeks barely remember the details of their destruction of Triton and the mighty Amazon nation there, and even that only as fragments of myth and legend. But the Gorgons have not forgotten. They have spent the years sharpening their arrows and axes, and forging their very bodies into weapons of retribution. When a star fell to earth north of their mountains they knew their time had come. It was Medusa pointing the way back to their ancient home, and their ancient enemy.

So the Gorgons stirred themselves and made the long trek back across the unforgiving desert. They now stand poised at the edge of the wastes, with the fertile Tritonian plain beyond. They have come to reclaim their ancestral home, and to end the world of men...
Temples
Medusa - Snake Goddess - temple_of_law
Athena - Bird Goddess - temple_of_victory
Sipylene - Moon and sea goddess - temple_of_love


;;;;Units;;;;;

Governor Tree:

1st Tier - Peasants, Diplomats


Missile Tree:

1st Tier -
2nd Tier (practice_field) - Desert Skirmishers
3rd Tier (archery_range) - Amazon Archers
4th Tier (catapult_range) - Agema Amazon Archers, Onagers
5th Tier (siege_engineer) - Heavy Onagers


Infantry Tree:

1st Tier (muster_field) - Desert Infantry
2nd Tier (militia_barracks) - Desert Infantry exp1
3rd Tier (city_barracks) - Axewomen
4th Tier (army_barracks) - Agema Axewomen
5th Tier (royal_barracks) - Axewomen exp1, Agema Axewomen exp1


Cavalry Tree:

1st Tier -
2nd Tier (stables) - Militia Cavalry
3rd Tier (cavalry_barracks) - Heavy Cavalry, Elephants, Camel Riders
4th Tier (hippodrome) - Gorgon Cavalry, War Elephants, Camel Archers  
5th Tier (circus_maximus) - Companions, Armoured Elephants


Horde Tree:

Horde Spearmen
Horde Axewomen
Horde Archers
Horde Horse Archers
Horde Cavalry

Desert Skirmishers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon11.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon11.jpg)

Gorgon Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon17.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon17.jpg)

Agema Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon13.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon13.jpg)

Onagers & Heavy Onagers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon07.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon07.jpg)

Desert Infantry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon12.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon12.jpg)

Axewomen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon08.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon08.jpg)

Agema Axewomen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon16.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon16.jpg)

Militia Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon05.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon05.jpg)

Heavy Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon03.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon03.jpg)

Elephants
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon14.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon14.jpg)

Camel Riders
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon04.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon04.jpg)

Gorgon Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon18.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon18.jpg)

War Elephants
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon09.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon09.jpg)

Camel Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon15.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon15.jpg)

Companions
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon10.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon10.jpg)

Armoured Elephants
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon01.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon01.jpg)

Early General's Bodyguard and Captain
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon06.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon06.jpg)

Late General's Bodyguard
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon02.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon02.jpg)

Horde Spearmen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon24.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon24.jpg)

Horde Axewomen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon23.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon23.jpg)

Horde Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon20.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon20.jpg)

Horde Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon22.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon22.jpg)

Horde Horse Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_gorgon21.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon21.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 06, 2009, 03:26:28 AM
Here is a complete map showing every territory, city, and port (click on the thumbnail to see the full version):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_atwregions.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/atwregions.png)

Most of it is the same as in vanilla, just with more territories. The major changes are the Gorgons down at the lower left in Saharan Africa, and the Numidians along the western coast of North Africa. The Greek Cities now hold the new city of Triton on the coast of Lake Tritonis to the south of modern Tunisia, and they have Athens as well, but not Thermon anymore. The Romans are the rulers of Italy, as I wanted them to still be a powerhouse. The Parthians no longer start with Campus Sakae way up on the plains, and instead have a third territory in the middle east. The Seleucids have nearly doubled their territories, but are still in the same general location. Amazonia is located roughly where Pontus used to be, and New Amazonia is way off to north in the forests of modern Russia. Scythia has been confined to the north coast of the Black Sea, and the Sarmatians have the steppe between the Don and Volga rivers.

You will notice a great many more territories in North Africa, the Steppe, and the Middle East. I have done this to make those areas more interesting. The normal vanilla game tends to funnel activity in toward the center of the map by leaving only a few territories around the edges. I have tried to reverse this by giving the factions on the map edges more room to play in, and hopefully make their neighborhoods more exciting to play in, rather than being sideshows.

Here is a map showing the starting territories of each faction:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/atwfactionmaps.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 06, 2009, 03:26:54 AM
Faction Preview: Amazonia

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonialogo.png)
Quote
"We are riders; our business is with the bow and the spear, and we know nothing of women's work."
-- Herodotus IV, 114

Founded long before the legendary fall of Troy, Amazonia has stood in the east for over a thousand years. Her capital in Themiskyra, on the banks of the Thermodon river, has stood against fire, flood, and siege and held firm through all. The Amazon race is said to descend from the blood of the god Ares himself, which may account for the zeal they show when partaking in war.

The word Amazon is the Ionian Greek form of the Iranian word ha-mazan, meaning "fighting together." The regular Greek form would be hamazon, but over time it simply became amazon. Also known to the Greeks as Androktones, or "The Killers of Men", and to their Scythian cousins as Oiorpata (which has the same meaning), the Amazons are women who refuse to submit to any man. Indeed, it is said by some that before she may procreate, an Amazon must kill at least one man in battle. While this is likely a tall tale, at least concerning the common women of Amazonia, it is true that among their warriour elite that a woman must face battle before being considered fully one of their own.

In the Iliad, the Amazons were referred to as Antianeira, or "Those Who Fight Like Men". Indeed, they do fight in the same hoplite fashion as their male Greek counterparts. However, they are also practiced in the use of the axe, a weapon favored by many of them for its killing power in hand to hand combat. Yet these are the least of their martial distinctions. For ever have the Amazons been especially gifted horsewomen, having tamed the horse long before the men of Greece learned to ride. Most fearsome however is their legendary skill with the bow, which some say is a sacred gift of the goddess Artemis, who is held in higher regard by the Amazons than even their progenitor Ares.

While most men in Amazonia live in drudgery, some of them may rise to positions of a certain stature. While the Amazons may sometimes be described as warriour-priestesses praying for battle, they also realize the need for trade and diplomacy. In aid of this they often send distinguished men from their courtesan caste out into the world as spies, diplomats, and merchants. Surprisingly, these men show an extraordinary amount of loyalty to their female overlords, refusing to break even under the most attractive enticements or the harshest of tortures.

Although originally a colony of the ancient Gorgon Amazons of Libya, Amazonia has been an independent monarchy for a thousand years. Since the fall of the Libyan Amazons a millennia ago, they have carried on the torch of Amazon civilization. During that time the Amazonians have maintained a conservative policy of alliances, diplomacy, and heavily fortified frontiers to insure their survival, even paying humiliating tributes to super-powers such as the Persian Empire and Alexander the Great in order to survive with their freedom and culture intact.

Long have the warriour women of Amazonia been quiet in the hills and valleys of their homeland. Waiting patiently as the titans of the world did battle with one another outside their doorstep. First the Persians, then Alexander. But the days of the great empires has passed, and their successors squabble with one another like dogs fighting over scraps from their great table. For the women of Amazonia this is an opportunity to carve their own mighty empire, one that might never again come to pass...
The starting territories of Amazonia
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview133.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview133.jpg)

Temples-
Artemis (Hunting)
Ares (violence)
Kybele (Leadership)
Demeter (Farming)

;;;;Units;;;;;

Governor Tree:

1st Tier - Peasants, Diplomats


Missile Tree:

1st Tier -
2nd Tier (practice_field) - Peltasts
3rd Tier (archery_range) - Amazon Archers
4th Tier (catapult_range) - Agema Amazon Archers, Onagers,
5th Tier (siege_engineer) - Heavy Onagers


Infantry Tree:

1st Tier (muster_field) - Militia Hoplites
2nd Tier (militia_barracks) - Hoplites
3rd Tier (city_barracks) - Armored Hoplites & Axewomen
4th Tier (army_barracks) - Agema Axewomen (Brides of Ares)
5th Tier (royal_barracks) - Armored Hoplites (exp 1)


Cavalry Tree:

1st Tier -
2nd Tier (stables) - Militia Cavalry
3rd Tier (cavalry_barracks) - Heavy Cavalry
4th Tier (hippodrome) - Amazon Cavalry
5th Tier (circus_maximus) - Companion Cavalry


Blacksmith:

1st Tier (blacksmith) -
2nd Tier (smiths_workshop) - Amazon Chariots

Peasants
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia10.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia10.jpg)

Peltasts
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia06.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia06.jpg)

Amazon Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview36.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview36.jpg)

Agema Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview85.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview85.jpg)

Onagers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia02.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia02.jpg)

Heavy Onagers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia03.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia03.jpg)

Militia Hoplites
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia04.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia04.jpg)

Hoplites
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia08.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia08.jpg)

Axewomen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia09.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia09.jpg)

Armoured Hoplites
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview87.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview87.jpg)

Agema Axewomen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia11.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia11.jpg)

Militia Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia01.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia01.jpg)

Heavy Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview102.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview102.jpg)

Amazon Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia05.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia05.jpg)

Companion Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview100.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview100.jpg)

Amazon Chariots
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview90.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview90.jpg)

Amazon Captain and Early Bodyguard
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview84.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview84.jpg)

Late General's Bodyguard
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia07.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia07.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 06, 2009, 03:27:40 AM
The Horde Units

The Gorgon Horde

Horde Spearmen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon_horde_spearmen.jpg)

Horde Axewomen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon_horde_axewomen.jpg)

Horde Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon_horde_archers.jpg)

Horde Cavalry
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon_horde_cavalry.jpg)

Horde Horse Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/gorgon_horde_horse_archer.jpg)


The Barbarian Hordes (Germania and Gaul)

Horde Spearmen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/barb_horde_spearman.jpg)

Horde Skirmishers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/barb_horde_skirmisher.jpg)

Horde Horsemen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/barb_horde_horseman.jpg)

Horde Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/barb_horde_archer.jpg)

Horde Chosen Axemen (Germania Only)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/barb_horde_axeman.jpg)

Horde Chosen Swordsmen (Gaul Only)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/barb_horde_swordsman-1.jpg)


The Steppe Hordes (Scythia and Sarmatia)

Horde Spearman
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/steppe_horde_spearman.jpg)

Horde Chosen Swordsman (Scythia Only)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/steppe_horde_chosen_sword.jpg)

Horde Virgin Archer
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/scythia_virgin_archer.jpg)

Horde Lancer
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/steppe_horde_lancer.jpg)

Horde Chosen Lancer
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/steppe_horde_heavy_lancer.jpg)

Horde Horse Archer
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/steppe_horde_horse_archer.jpg)

Horde Virgin Horse Archer
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/virgin_ha_sarmatia.jpg)


The Eastern Horde (Parthia)

Horde Spearmen
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/east_horde_spearman.jpg)

Horde Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/east_horde_archer.jpg)

Horde Horse Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/east_horde_ha.jpg)

Horde Elite Horse Archers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/east_horde_ha_elite.jpg)

Horde Lancers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/east_horde_lancer.jpg)

Horde Elite Lancers
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/east_horde_lance_elite.jpg)

Now I just have to finish tweaking the number of units each faction's hordes receive. Then I was thinking of creating some new female Celtic units, tweaking the German and Amazon two-handed axe units by giving them a shield across their backs, making the Gorgons start as an emergent horde, and creating a provincial campaign for them so they can be played normally. Then 2.3 will be ready to release.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 06, 2009, 03:29:37 AM
I added a shield to the Amazon Agema Axes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/agemaaxe06.jpg)

While I was at it I removed the pteruges from their skirt.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/agemaaxe07.jpg)

I really like how they look.

A pic of them in action.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonia11.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonia11.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 06, 2009, 03:31:16 AM

I am still working on ATW, although mostly I have been doing a Gorgon AAR here (http://rtw.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=10,7945,0,100). Playing the Gorgons has been fun, and has helped me find many bugs that I have fixed. All little things like sprites not appearing correctly, the wrong banner appearing on empty Macedonian cities, the wrong faction name given in the pop-up text over Gorgon cities, etc...

I also went and created new Captain models for most factions on the Strat Map:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/captains.jpg)


I also decided to not make New Amazonia a rebel faction shadowing Amazonia. With that in mind I am making some changes to their unit roster so they will be more distinctive from Amazonia. I will be removing all their hoplites and replacing them with a Warband for an entry-level unit, and a yet to be created Spearwoman unit for their second tier. Finally I will be giving them an entry-level horse archer, which I have nearly completed.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonhorsearcherscipii.jpg)

I plan to use this model/skin as a basis for a few more Celtic units, such as a Javelin-Cavalry unit for Gaul, and to replace the archers in the Light Chariots of the Britons.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on February 06, 2009, 05:42:38 PM
Looks great! Good to hear from you again...   :flashy:
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 06, 2009, 11:12:26 PM
Thank you. I will try to keep this topic up to date with ATW's progress.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 10, 2009, 03:20:15 AM
Here is that Spearwoman unit I mentioned for New Amazonia. Thanks to Private Clark for the figure 8 shield, which is exactly what I was wanting for them. I am thinking of emblazoning it with something. Maybe a triqueta, or some form of magical beastie. I am not sure yet.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonspearwoman.jpg)

I am also fairly sure that I will replace New Amazonia's Agema Axewomen with a Berserker unit as well. An idea I got when I was working on unit cards from Andalus' AUP. I like the idea of putting one of those bearskins on an Amazon unit. Or maybe even just one of the Roman Velite's wolfskins. I could call them the Sows of Ares... (hmm, on second thought, maybe not).
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on February 10, 2009, 05:16:02 PM
A unicorn rampant would seem the obvious choice, although thats more medieval... The crescent moon was Artemis' symbol I think, that might be good.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 11, 2009, 12:56:18 AM
I have been thinking a dragon. It is the symbol of New Amazonia, and it also is very strongly associated with the Sarmatians, and with Germanic Barbarians in general. One of the things I would like to do with New Amazonia is to give them a barbarian flair, so things that have that feel would work best.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Private Clark on February 11, 2009, 05:18:16 AM
I love the ported thread, and the new units look incredible, especially that snazzy figure eight shield  :ninja: , lol :P If you would like to make it more realistic, you could actualy put a semi sphere on the orange thing to make it more 3dish.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: CN2 on February 11, 2009, 09:24:57 PM
Wow!

 :PrivateClarkOnly:  

 The top one is SubRosa ^^
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Andalus on February 12, 2009, 01:17:04 AM
Liking the look of the New Amazonian units! A lot.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 13, 2009, 02:46:26 AM
I have been working on a dragon to put on that New Amazonian Spearwoman, and here is what I have come up with.

Option 1
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_spearwoman_dragon02.jpg)

Option 2
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_spearwoman_dragon01.jpg)

Which looks better? I am leaning toward the second one as it is simpler and thusly easier to make out. Once I decide which to go with I will put a black outline around the dragon to make it stand out a bit better.

I have also decided that I want the Spearwomen to be a 3rd tier unit, one that New Amazon can use as the backbone of its infantry throughout the middle and late game, much as Amazonia's Armoured Hoplites do. With that in mind I am going to give them a javelin to throw before engaging in melee, and might change their leggings to a metal greave.

This also means I will need a new infantry unit at 2nd tier. I am thinking of perhaps a Militia Axewoman, with a shield, axe, and little or no armour.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on February 13, 2009, 05:21:20 PM
Second dragon looks easier to see.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Andalus on February 14, 2009, 12:54:08 AM
Personally I preferred the version with an unadorned shield, but if it's between thsose two, then the second.

As for the axewomen, sounds like a good plan. You could perhaps use the Virgin Archer model as a base, or just use the normal Axewomen model with an unarmoured texture.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 14, 2009, 02:09:12 AM
I finished the Militia Axewomen.

(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/miltiaaxewoman.jpg)

Given that they are using the small crescent shield, I went and gave the 3rd tier Axewomen the fancier crescent shield.
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/scipiiaxewoman.jpg)

Now however, I am at the EDU and DMB limits, so I will have to free up some slots in both before I can go any further.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 15, 2009, 04:57:42 AM
I spent the last day condensing the EDU and DMB. A most onerous task, especially when you consider I have to do it twice, once for the BI version and a second time for the RTW version of the mod. After this next release I am no longer going to support the RTW version. It is just too hard to update two versions of the same mod.

Back to that Spearwoman. I added a pila for a precursor weapon. I think this may make them the only spear unit in RTW that throws a javelin. The BI version of the unit has the shield wall ability, and can throw the pila just fine while in the wall. The RTW version has the phalanx ability, and I found cannot throw the pila when in phalanx formation. Interesting.

I also did some minor tweaks to the skin, making her shoulderpads made out of mail, and adding a greave to her leg. Finally, I outlined the dragon symbols in black, and now they look much better. I am still not sure which to go with, but now I am leaning more to to Option 1.

Option 1
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_spearwoman_dragon02b.jpg)

Option 2
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_spearwoman_dragon01b.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 15, 2009, 10:34:43 PM
I have my final version of the Spearwoman shield. I took the wings off the more popular version and was thusly able to enlarge it to cover nearly all of the shield.

The Daughters of the Wyrm.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_spearwoman02d.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_spearwoman02e.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 16, 2009, 02:54:12 AM
Nothing too special about the next two. They are the bottom rung of the New Amazonian roster. A Warband and Skirmisher. The only male units they possess.

Warband
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_warband.jpg)

Skirmisher
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_skirmisher.jpg)

Now to get to work on Amazon Berserkers. This will not be easy...
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 17, 2009, 02:52:51 AM
Here is an early version of the Amazon Beserkers.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_berserker1.jpg)

I am having a problem getting the bearskin to stick to all of the bones it needs to. I applied a skin modifier and weighted the vertices according to Step 8 here (http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=39733), but with no luck. I will also probably work some more on the skin and mask. But this gives an idea of how they will look.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Pizzadude on February 17, 2009, 02:57:37 PM
They do look frightening indeed!
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Silver Wolf on February 17, 2009, 03:41:36 PM
I like them... they are unique and barbaric
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 18, 2009, 04:09:19 AM
Thanks guys,

I am thinking of using a different weapon than the double-headed axe, as that is the weapon of the Agema Axes as well. I am not sure what else I might use though. A two-handed sword does not feel right. Or a falx. I know I do not want that spiked club the German Berserkers have.

One thought I had was to use a single-bladed two-handed axe (the kind the German Chosen Axemen have) in each hand. But that idea seems to go to the ridiculous. Two of the normal single-handed axes might work. But I want something big and ominous.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on February 18, 2009, 09:14:00 AM
Really big mace perhaps?
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Andalus on February 18, 2009, 01:07:57 PM
They look nice. I take it that is a mask on the face? looks good and original - adding some variation in. Two single handed axes would be good, but as you say, something big and terrifying would be better. What about two single-handed falxes?
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 18, 2009, 05:29:58 PM
I thought about a mace, but the one that the Cataphracts have is pretty weak looking, and I do not have a model for a larger version. The idea of the two falxes might work. I will give that a try and see how it looks.

The mask is actually that of the Graal Knights. I just recoloured it. That is just a placeholder though (I hope). I want to replace it with a mask of a raven's face if possible. I plan to make them recruited from the Temple of Freja, and will be known to their Germanic neighbors as the Valkyrja, "the Choosers of the Slain".
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 19, 2009, 04:29:38 AM
The berserkers are coming along. I have not had any luck with the raven mask, so it looks like the one they have now will stay. However, I did finally get the vertices of the bearskin weighted properly, so now it sticks to all the right parts of her. Almost done.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_berserker2.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Private Clark on February 19, 2009, 06:55:12 PM
I like the new berserker, as for the warband and skirmisher, they look a little too generic compared to your other units, also, they look way to british, the colors i mean, they might get confusing, maybe you could add some stuff to the texture? I was going to vote for the second shield design but the way it turned out exceeds them both, good job ;)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 19, 2009, 11:45:06 PM
You mean the Britons look way too Amazon right? ;)

I could change the hair on them, that is about the only variation the barbarian units have among one another. Or try to put that shirt on them which the Peasants and Mercenary Barb Infantry have. But that looks blah.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 20, 2009, 12:47:25 AM
I found just the thing for the Berserkers.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_berserker3.jpg)

That should about do it for them.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Private Clark on February 20, 2009, 05:33:27 AM
Much better, the only thing is that wierd texture stretch out of the skirt, but thats unavoidable :(
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 20, 2009, 06:24:52 PM
Oh, I was wondering if there was any way I could get rid of that. I suppose not.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Andalus on February 20, 2009, 08:31:38 PM
You could make it look slightly less weird by adding a flatter texture down that section, thus meaning it doesn't look so stripy and stretched. See something like Poeni Infantry (I think) for what I mean.

By the way, I also think you should change the hair colour for the skirmishers/warband. At the moment it is still all limey white. That the Britons and New Amazonians use similar colours doesn't help hide the similiarity.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 20, 2009, 10:39:40 PM
Quote from: "Andalus"
By the way, I also think you should change the hair colour for the skirmishers/warband. At the moment it is still all limey white. That the Britons and New Amazonians use similar colours doesn't help hide the similiarity.

See Post #32
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 21, 2009, 02:09:01 AM
Here are updated Warband and Skirmisher textures.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_warband2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazon_skirmisher2.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Private Clark on February 21, 2009, 10:14:53 PM
Great improvment, slightly changing the blue really helped as well as the new hair colors ;).
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on February 28, 2009, 07:08:02 PM
After taking a break from ATW to work on unit cards for Andalus, I am back to work. I made all of the New Amazonian skins a darker blue, and did some touch-ups on some of the units. I have a few more to go and they will be completely finished.

I am also thinking to changing the name of New Amazonia to something else. I was never thrilled with it, and I would like something that helps distinguish them from Amazonia. Given that geographically they are in the middle of barbarian territory, and that I have given their units a strong barbarian influence, I think their faction name ought to have a similar barbaric flair. So far I have come up with the following:

The Disir - (essentially lesser female deities in Scandinavian myth. Freja was called Vanadis, meaning the Dis of the Vanir.)
The Asyniur or Asynior - (again, the term used for a female goddess, specifically one of the Aesir. Asynia being the singular term).
The Valkyrja - ("The Choosers of the Slain". Valkyries).

The rationale behind these names is that this is what the barbarians would have called the Amazons, and the impact that they left upon the barbarian psyche would have caused the name to enter remain in the form of myth long after the Amazons themselves had been gone and forgotten. Much like the Gorgons with Greek mythology.

What sounds best?


In other news, I have several non-Amazon units I am working on. The first is a unit I discovered there was a distinct need of in my recent Gorgon campaign. Nubian Spearmen Mercenaries. These guys will provide a much needed source of heavy infantry in the east half of Africa and the Sinai. Since I found that the regular version's stats were woefully poor, I buffed them up a bit as well.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/nubian_spearmen_merc.jpg)

I have also added a few more names, and will hopefully have more coming. Finally, I have received permission from Signifer One to use his animation pack, so expect to see hoplites and a few other spear units using their weapons over-arm in the future.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 01, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
I know it is a little early to be thinking about a sequel, but a little bird whispered something in my ear yesterday. Why not make an ATW 2 that was set in Barbarian Invasion? I could even call it Amazon Invasion. The idea is very appealing.

There are several factions that no one would miss which could be used for new Amazon factions, such as the Roxolani and Lombards (both of which are just carbon-copies of other factions). I could easily fit New Amazonia (or perhaps the Valkyrja / Asyniur if that is what they turn out to be called) in the Russian forests where they are in ATW 1. They might even replace the Slavs as an emergent horde originating from that area. Amazonia might be found in the Armenian mountains between the ERE and Sassanids, which would make playing them interesting. The Gorgons could replace the Berbers, which I think would make Africa a lot more interesting than the backwater it normally is in BI.

That is of course if I wanted to keep the original 3 Amazon factions around. I would probably not want to do that. Creating at least one new Amazon faction would be ideal, and having at least one or two of the old ones be extinct.

This is still a long way off, if I decide to do it. But it is something I am going to keep in mind. One stumbling block (for me at least), is that I would need the services of a good modeller/skinner or two, as this would require all new Amazon units, and creating 100% new ones is beyond me.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 03, 2009, 03:02:18 AM
My latest unit is a female barbarian archer. I created them to get some more female units in the barbarian rosters. Originally I was only going to make them for Gaul and the Britons, but I changed my mind and decided to replace all of the entry level barbarian archers with them. So the Gauls, Germania, Dacia, Scythia, and Rebels will have them, as well as the Britons (as a replacement for their Light Chariot crew)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/barb_female_archer.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 06, 2009, 04:46:27 AM
The latest unit. Female Gladiators for the Romans.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/female_gladiator_roman.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Silver Wolf on March 06, 2009, 02:08:00 PM
barbarian archers are awesome... and I like the gladiators too...but it would be nicer to see them with some leather armor or something like that
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 10, 2009, 02:14:14 AM
The latest unit is a new skin for Cretan Archers.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/cretan_archer.jpg)

I have also made them a regularly recruitable unit for all of the Hellenic factions, but only in the Aegean.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 12, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
The last new unit for version 2.4. A reskin of Rhodian Slingers, who like the Cretans are now recruitable by all of the Hellenic factions in the Aegean.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/rhodian_slinger.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 19, 2009, 02:03:13 AM
Amazon Total War version 2.4 is now out!

That is right, a new version of ATW is now awaiting. 2.4 contains many bug fixes, changes, and additions. Most notable are the sweeping changes that New Amazonia have undergone, including their name changing to The Valkyrja. They now have a much more barbaric flavour to them, with new units that show a definite barbarian and steppe influence, and even a new temple. Expect a full Faction Preview of them in the days to come.

Here is a full list of additions and changes.


Expect a full implementation of Signifer One's animations in version 2.5. It is something I have to work on, as his hoplite animation causes the soldier to turn her shield sideways when in Shield Wall. While that is fine if they have a round shield, it looks very strange with an oval or crescent shield. Currently the Amazon Spearwoman unit has a temporary workaround, using the javelinman skeleton in order to have the overhand spear use.

As before there are two separate copies of Amazon Total War. One for use with the Rome Total War executable, and the other for use with the Barbarian Invasion executable. You can find both here:

Amazon Total War 2.4 For BI - Full Version (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=40)

Amazon Total War 2.4 Beta For Rome Total War - Full Version (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=41)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 21, 2009, 01:06:26 AM
I took a few interesting screenshots while gathering pics for my upcoming Valkyrja preview, so I thought I would post them here.

Athenian Marines
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_greekathenianmarine.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/greekathenianmarine.jpg)

Greek Sacred Band
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_greeksacredband.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/greeksacredband.jpg)

Spartans Under Fire
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_greekspartansunderfire.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/greekspartansunderfire.jpg)

Watch Where You Put That Spear!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_greekwatchthatspear.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/greekwatchthatspear.jpg)

Who Put That Banana Peel On The Battlefield?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_greekunhorsed.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/greekunhorsed.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 23, 2009, 12:43:08 AM
The Valkyrja

Daughters of the Dragon

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/valkyrjasymbol.png)

Quote
So weave we, weird sisters,
Our warwinning woof.
Now Warwinner walketh
To weave in her turn,
Now Swordswinger steppeth,
Now Swiftstroke, now Storm;
When they speed the shuttle
How spearheads shall flash!
Shields crash, and helmgnawer
On harness bite hard!

- Nj
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 29, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
I will be taking a break from major work on ATW. The reason being that I started a Valkyrja AAR here (http://s9.zetaboards.com/exilian?topic=7091042/1/#new). So follow the link to get a look at ATW in action.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on March 30, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
I should wirte more AARs... hm.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on March 31, 2009, 01:15:48 AM
Why not give a Mount and Blade AAR a go? I have not ever seen one.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 05, 2009, 08:38:41 PM
Since I have been playing them, I have been thinking about the Valkyrja and how I might make feel more distinct. Not with dramatic things like units or temples, just with a little more depth to their background.

Since they are a democracy, I am thinking of calling the leaders of the Valkyrja "Equals". The Faction Leader would be "First Among Equals". Rather like the title Princeps, that the Roman emperors used during the Principate. I could use Greek or German/Norse words for the titles, or just stick with it in plain English as it is.

I have also been thinking about the Spearwoman unit they get at 3rd tier.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/valkyrja/th_valkyrja0491.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/valkyrja/valkyrja0491.jpg)

I would like to give them a less generic name the simply "Spearwomen". Going with the shield design I might call them something like the Dragon Guard, or Drakonis, or Dragon's Teeth (I rather like that one, as it is a nice play on their spears). Does anyone have any other ideas?
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 09, 2009, 08:44:48 PM
While I think about a name for the Spearwomen, I went and renamed the internal faction name of the senate to slavs for both the BI and RTW versions of the mod. This means no more senate tab when playing the Romans. It also means I can now do emergent hordes in the BI versions if I want.

I was originally thinking of doing the Gorgons that way, and have them emerge at a predetermined date during the game. Perhaps 20 years in or so. That would give them a lot of largish cities to sack when they turned up in North Africa, and allow the other factions a chance to get situated there before facing them. So I might go ahead and do that. Of course if I do make them an emergent faction, I will create a Provincinal Campaign that would allow you to play them as normal.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 11, 2009, 01:56:04 AM
I have created complete map showing every territory, city, and port (click on the thumbnail to see the full version):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_atwregions.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/atwregions.png)

Basically I took map_regions.tga, blew it up, and added the names of all the territories and cities. While I was at it I changed the internal names of many cities and a few regions to match the names being displayed in-game. I also renamed Neo Themiskyra to Vanahemir.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 11, 2009, 08:49:47 PM
I did a little work so far today. I made farms destroyable, and since I have noticed that the cities in the Crimea are growing at insane rates, I reduced their base farming levels and removed the grain resource from Chersonesos. I also noticed that the Amazon Warband cost was far too low, and brought it up to be more in line with that of other Warbands (but slightly cheaper, as they are not quite as good).
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: comrade_general on April 12, 2009, 04:21:36 PM
Great work on everything!
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 13, 2009, 06:25:01 AM
Thank you comrade.

As you can see I am still working on little things in between the Valkyrja AAR. I went through the bottom and mid-tier units and raised the morale of all of them. Now your basic 1st tier infantry unit (Warband, Town Watch, etc...) will have a morale of 4. 2nd tier is usually a morale of 6, and 3rd a morale of 8. This varies slightly by unit. I even gave all Peasants a morale of 1. This ought to make the bottom end units the AI loves to spam last a little bit longer in a fight.

I also decided to rename the Valkyrja Spearwomen to Drakones (Drakon being Greek for Dragon), and updated their campaign description to shed more light on their use of the dragon as their faction symbol.

Quote
It was also at this time that the Valkyrja adopted the dragon as their symbol. To their barbarian neighbors the dragon was a monstrous beast which they all feared. However, the Amazons had always known the serpent as a symbol of women's wisdom and power. A creature of the Underworld that knows the secrets of regeneration and rebirth. They saw the northern dragon as nothing more than a new face upon their old and dearly loved serpent, and laughed at the fools who dreaded it.

I am now thinking of creating a few new Valkyrja mercenary units. The old Amazon Hoplites look kind of odd on the steppe. I might create an Axewoman merc to replace them there. Maybe a merc Amazon Horse archer too. I am also giving thought to changing the model for the Valkyrja's base archer unit to the new female Barbarian Archer.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 13, 2009, 09:09:26 PM
Since I have discovered that I have much more room to expand in the EDU, I have decided to create separate entries for all of the Valkyrja units. This will allow me to give them unique descriptions and give them all snow bonuses.

I have also noticed that the Valkyrja have been very difficult to play. Even for me. I know from email that other people have not been nearly as successful with them as I. So I think a little balancing in their favour might be in order.

One of the big problems I have been having in my own Valkyrja campaign is the large distances between my cities. They are really more like islands in a vast ocean, each essentially on its own. Compounded with this the capital is located far from everything else, so as you expand it quickly is too far away to be a viable troop recruitment center. Contrast this to a Carthaginian, Greek, or Amazonian campaign where their capitals and other beginning cities remain viable troop production centers for nearly the entire game.

So one thing I know I will do is move Melanchlaeni to the east and a little south, and Careote to the west and a little north. Then I will put a new province with Vanahemir in the middle of them. The old Vanahemir will remain as either a rebel settlement or a starting Valkyrja one (with a different name of course).

I am also thinking of doing things to improve their economy in general. Increasing base farming levels, the number of resources, initial populations of their regions, making their units cheaper, or somewhat more powerful, etc... I might even put a grain resource in one of their territories to push up the population growth, but I am uncertain about that.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 15, 2009, 01:15:19 AM
I moved Vanahemir south between Careotae and Melanchlaeni, and created the new territory of Mari in its old place. I gave more resources to the starting Valkyrja territories, and gave them another starting General.

Here are their new starting territories:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_valkyrja20startingterritories.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/valkyrja20startingterritories.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 16, 2009, 12:40:44 AM
This evening I added another new territory. This one in Scandinavia. The city of Aranaes is the Old Swedish name of Earnanaess, where the lair of the dragon that killed Beowulf was.

Its creation is another response to my current Valkyrja campaign. I have been sitting on Vicus Aesti and Vicus Gepidae, and have never had any sea trade at all because I have been at war with Germania. So I created Aranaes mainly to serve as a place you could take in order to get some Baltic Sea trade going, and loaded it with resources so it is worth the effort.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview136.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview136.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 24, 2009, 02:09:23 AM
I have not been slacking. I have created a Mercenary Amazon Axewoman unit to replace the Amazon Hoplites on the northern plains, and a Rebel Militia Axewoman unit to add to the rebel population in those parts. I have also renamed Porrolissum to Sarmizgetusa and moved it to a more historically correct position.

Currently I am working on the animations. Here is a little preview:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview137.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview137.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: comrade_general on April 24, 2009, 03:57:59 AM
nice work, i admire your passion for this
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 24, 2009, 09:03:46 AM
Thank you comrade. I do not have a girlfriend at the moment, so my passion has to go somewhere...  ;)

I also did this, not using the javelinman animation anymore:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview138.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview138.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 28, 2009, 12:44:08 AM
I finally finished the implementation of the overhand spear attack for hoplites and their cousins. While I was at it I gave them the shield_wall ability rather than phalanx, and removed their sword sidearms (the latter because they were always drawing it to charge whenever they attacked).

It was a lot of work, because I had to edit almost all of the .cas files involved to anchor their shields to the elbow rather than the hand. Then I spun the shields 45 degrees to the left so if they had a rectangular shield they were holding it straight up rather than at an angle. If they had a round shield I did the same so their symbols would appear right side up.

I also changed a few shields and textures, most notably for the German Spearwarband and the Armenian Heavy Spearmen. Both new shields are courtesy of Halie Satanus.

Here are some pics:

Amazonian Armoured Hoplites stand ready.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview139.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview139.jpg)

The lines clash.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview140.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview140.jpg)

Death in the Ranks (I think this will be a new loading screen).
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview141.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview141.jpg)

Amazon Hoplites vs. Spartans.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview142.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview142.jpg)

The Spearwarband of Germania waits for the ravens.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview143.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview143.jpg)

Armenian Heavy Spearmen charge!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview144.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview144.jpg)

Germania vs. Armenia.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview145.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview145.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on April 30, 2009, 04:52:38 PM
I am finished with all of the animations, new unit cards for some units that changed to an overhand attack, and have even added a Temple of Demeter to Amazonia and the Valkyrja. I have also created separate EDU entries for the Valkyrja units, allowing me to give them all snow bonuses, and create unit descriptions specific to Amazonia and the Valkyrja.

For the example, the Amazonian Companions description is now this:

Quote
Amazon Companion Cavalry are picked from the social and military elite of Amazonia. All are either born from aristocratic families or have earned that position through distinguished service. When not on campaign they live in the Royal Household and serve as an extended bodyguard and coterie of the Queen - her Hetaroi - or Companions. As such they form a personal bond with her that goes far beyond the loyalty of other troops. Often these women go on to serve as officers and generals, some might even be adopted into the Royal Family itself.

The Companions are expert horsewomen, riding the best mounts and have the finest armour available. Each is armed with a good lance and a longsword for close combat. As heavy cavalry they can be a decisive arm of battle, and are able to deliver a devastating charge that can smash all but the strongest enemy formations. However, they do need to be careful - as with all cavalry - when attacking spearmen. Bravery is of little use when galloping straight onto a row of gleaming spear points!

While the Valkyrja Companions have this:

Quote
Amazon Companion Cavalry are the social and military elite of Valkyr. All come from influential families (the word aristocracy is never used by the Valkyrja, but in truth this is what they comprise), or have attained high status through distinguished service. When not on campaign they live in the First Equal's Household and serve as an extended bodyguard and coterie - her Hetaroi - or Companions. As such they form a personal bond with her that goes far beyond the loyalty of other troops. Often these women go on to serve as officers and generals, some might even be adopted into her own family.

The Companions are expert horsewomen, riding the best mounts and have the finest armour available. Each is armed with a good lance and a longsword for close combat. As heavy cavalry they can be a decisive arm of battle, and are able to deliver a devastating charge that can smash all but the strongest enemy formations. However, they do need to be careful - as with all cavalry - when attacking spearmen. Bravery is of little use when galloping straight onto a row of gleaming spear points!

I have a few sprites to generate, and I am thinking of separating the EDU entries for the Valkyrja and Amazonia Generals. Then I will probably be releasing version 2.5. Most likely sometime this weekend.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: comrade_general on May 01, 2009, 08:55:20 PM
Very nice screens! Wish I could take them half as good as that.  :$
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 01, 2009, 11:14:42 PM
Thank you comrade. It is just a matter of using the movie_cam switch, and taking your time to look around for the right thing.

I have a bunch of screens that I took while looking to create a few new loading screens that showcased the Valkyrja Drakones, Berserkers, and Gorgon Elephants. I came out with some nice ones.

Drakon shield wall.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview146.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview146.jpg)


Valkyrja Late General's Bodyguard shooting at close range.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview147.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview147.jpg)

Valkyrja Late General's Bodyguard charges home!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview148.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview148.jpg)

Drakones vs. Chosen Axemen.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview149.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview149.jpg)

Valkyrja Berserkers charge a German Spearwarband.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview150.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview150.jpg)

Top of the world Ma!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview151.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview151.jpg)

Valkyrja Heavy Cavalry Chopping down the Night Raiders.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview152.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview152.jpg)

Poeni Bowling.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview153.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview153.jpg)

Elephant Mayhem.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview156.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview156.jpg)

There will be no dawn for men.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview157.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview157.jpg)

Gorgon Agema Axewomen vs. Carthaginian Sacred Band.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview158.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview158.jpg)

Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 02, 2009, 01:25:16 AM
Amazon: Total War version 2.5 is now out!

You can get it here:
Amazon Total War 2.5 For BI - Full Version (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=40)

Amazon Total War 2.5 For Rome Total War - Full Version (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=41)

Saves from previous versions are not compatible with 2.5.

Here is a list of changes:

Version 2.5 (BI)

Version 2.5 (RTW)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: comrade_general on May 02, 2009, 02:24:36 AM
sweet  B)

*downloads*
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Andalus on May 02, 2009, 12:24:28 PM
Very good. :)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 08, 2009, 11:54:58 PM
I have recently learned of a CTD being caused by the Eastern culture foot Archers. This affects the BI version only. I have released a patch here (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=52) that fixes it. The full version download has also been updated to 2.5b. Save games from BI 2.5 are compatible with BI 2.5b.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 09, 2009, 09:02:03 PM
I have added reskins for the copy-cat Legionaries of Numidia, Armenia, and the Seleucids, courtesy of Medusa0.

Armenian Legionaries
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview159.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview159.jpg)

Seleucids
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview160.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview160.jpg)

Numidians
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview161.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview161.jpg)

You can find Medusa's texture pack here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=249717).
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 10, 2009, 04:55:34 AM
I am now working on integrating Pinarius' horses. His horse textures are much, much better than those of vanilla. They also provide more variety in the appearance of different faction's horses.

It is going to be a lot of work however. He did not include sprites. So now I have to create new sprites for all the horses that have changed a shade in colour. That is at least half of all the horses in the game. Most likely three quarters when I am done.

Here are some samples of what I have have integrated so far:

The Valkyrja Medium Horse is a roan
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview162valkyrjamediumhorse.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview162valkyrjamediumhorse.jpg)

All General's Horses are now white.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview163amazoniageneralhors.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview163amazoniageneralhors.jpg)

Most Heavy Horses are now black.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview164amazoniaheavyhorse.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview164amazoniaheavyhorse.jpg)

The Amazonian Medium Horse is a red.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview165amazoniamediumhorse.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview165amazoniamediumhorse.jpg)

The Sarmatian Light Horse is a grey-brown
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview167sarmatianlighthorse.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview167sarmatianlighthorse.jpg)

Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 16, 2009, 03:22:58 AM
I finished creating new sprites to go with the new horses. I have decided not to create new unit cards for every mounted unit that has changed their horse, as that would take forever. However, I probably will create new ones for the Amazon factions.

In the meantime, I have been playing with descr_lbc_db.txt in order to make the city views more interesting.

It is a very simple file to mod. You only have to add in the DMB entry of the units you want in the format you already see there. They do not even have to be units owned by the faction whose cities you are giving them to. Just do not try to add a mounted unit, as it will cause an immediate CTD. Also, units weapons will not be visible, but they will still walk around as if they are holding them. Shields are also still visible. So regular infantry units look strange. However, archer and crew units will walk around in a normal posture, as will generals and captains. So they are your best choices to use. I also found that mounts (without riders) work fine. So you can have horses, camels, elephants, dogs, pigs, etc... roaming around your cities.

So in version 2.6, expect to see views like this within your cities:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview170.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview170.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on May 16, 2009, 05:22:21 PM
I once made a little mod which did nothing but add a little more variety to the city view in the way described.

It would be good if a way was found to edit more about the city views, and bring the city to life far more (street sellers, horsemen, guards on the walls or whatever), but that seems unlikely to ever happen.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 16, 2009, 10:06:29 PM
That would be nice. It might be possible by editing the bpi files? I am not really sure. I never really dug into pathing too much. There must be some place that tells the game where people walk in the city view.

In other news, I found a bug today that causes a CTD when going into a battle with Female Gladiators. The sprite line is incorrect. You can fix it by going to Amazon\Data\Descr_Model_Battle.txt, do a search for female_gladiator, and then replace the two sprite lines with the following code:
Code: [Select]
model_sprite slave, 60.0, amazon/data/sprites/slave_female_gladiator_sprite.spr
model_sprite slavs, 60.0, amazon/data/sprites/romans_senate_female_gladiator_sprite.spr

I have made patches to do the same as above for the RTW and BI versions of ATW, and posted links in the OP.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 17, 2009, 06:58:43 PM
Palantir's Lost Legion, and all of the LOTOR stuff of late in general, have gotten me thinking of an idea for ATW. Namely doing the Harry Turtledove misplaced legion idea in reverse. Instead of taking units from the regular world (that of Amazons ;)), and putting them in a fantasy world, why not take units from a fantasy world and pluck them into ATW?

So what I was thinking was at some future point when I have the time (yeah, right), of making a sub-mod of ATW that would replace one of the factions with one of Orcs and Black Numenoreans who were somehow transported from Middle Earth to regular Earth. Most likely I would replace Dacia, as they are the least interesting faction in ATW and have a good central location.

I would have to create a new culture for them, which does not thrill me as it was a lot of work doing that for the Amazons. But on the other hand I am sure I could get permission to use models and skins from the many LOTOR mods out there to fill out the unit roster.

It is an odd idea, and would never be part of the regular mod. But I think it would be fun to take Amazons against a horde of Orcs. Imagine Drakones vs. Uruks, Companions vs. Warg Riders, or Gorgon Elephants vs. Trolls?

Of course the tag line would have to be: "The Age of Women is over. The Age of the Orc has begun!" :grin:
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 18, 2009, 10:12:29 PM
I have updated the full version downloads of both BI and RTW with version 2.5c. So only people who have downloaded them previously will need to upgrade with the 2.5c path.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 19, 2009, 10:43:36 PM
I finished working on Albion. I created two new Rebel territories and gave one from the Britons to them. I also renamed everything but Tara, and moved a few settlements around. Finally there is now a land-bridge between Scotland and Ireland. I am still not sure if I want to create one between the continent and the isles though. I am going to have to experiment with creating one and running some AI campaigns to see how it plays out.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview171britain.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview171britain.jpg)

I also plan to make a Rebel version of the Briton Slingers, so there is some more variety to their rebels. Maybe a few other units too.

Hopefully this will make the Britons more fun to play as. At least in the early game. Not to mention make it more interesting when you have to conquer them.

Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on May 20, 2009, 06:16:03 PM
Yea, looks good.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 22, 2009, 09:06:01 PM
I am experimenting with a new unit info scene. Snowy grass. How does it look?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/barb_slinger_briton_info.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 22, 2009, 10:54:53 PM
I have picked some low-hanging fruit this afternoon. Two new units, Rebel Briton Slingers and Latin Mercenaries (whose shield texture is courtesy of Halie Satanus).

Rebel Briton Slingers
Spoiler: click to toggle


Latin Mercenaries
Spoiler: click to toggle


I am thinking of doing a mercenary version of the slingers to make available in the British Isles, and maybe a mercenary barbarian archer for the continent as well.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 24, 2009, 10:55:23 PM
I have been working on the textures for the ground types in the campaign map, completely replacing the originals with textures from Medieval 2. I am still tweaking them a bit, but here is an example:

Spoiler: click to toggle
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 24, 2009, 10:55:48 PM
I have been working on the textures for the ground types in the campaign map, completely replacing the originals with textures from Medieval 2. I am still tweaking them a bit, but here is an example:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 29, 2009, 09:37:45 PM
I have done some more tweaking to the ground textures, varying the shades of the swamp and fertility types to take out the yellows and browns and make them greener. I like how it has turned out.

The map is much more brighter and lively. The fertile areas are easy to tell, the darker the green the more fertile you are getting. When you get really dark it is a forest. All of the ground types really stand out now , making it much easier to tell if an area is swamp or wilderness or something else.


The Nile Valley really pops out against the desert.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview173groundtypes.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview173groundtypes.jpg)

The southern steppe shows the 3 basic fertility types. The northern half is low fertility, the area around Olbia is medium, and that around Tanais is high. The very neck of the Crimea is swamp
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview174groundtypes.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview174groundtypes.jpg)

The Gauls now have natural camouflage, blending in with the background of the Po Valley.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview175groundtypes.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview175groundtypes.jpg)



Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on May 29, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
Nice!
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on May 31, 2009, 10:29:56 PM
Thank you Jubal.


I finally fixed the problem of victory videos not playing. I was mistakenly putting the mod path in descr_sm_factions.txt.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview176victoryvideo.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview176victoryvideo.jpg)

I only have stills looped into a video for now. I am not sure when I will be able to create actual new videos. But it is a lot better than a black screen.

I also imported neo_deus' Numidian Legionary shield for my own Numidians. It really completes the excellent work that Medusa0 did for them. Special thanks go to both for their contributions.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/numidian_legionaries_info.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on June 05, 2009, 01:22:33 AM
I have been busily working on ATW. I finally completed redoing the unit cards for the cavalry of all the Amazon factions in order to get the new horses in.

When I finished I was looking at the old info cards of the other Amazon units, and decided to go ahead and remake all of them as the info cards are relatively simple to do (it is the ui cards that take forever, since you have to size them just perfect to make them of uniform height and scale as all the others). My unit card-fu has dramatically improved since I made the previous ones. I am about a third of the way through, and here is an example of what I have done.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview176unitcards.jpg)

Thanks to some advice by Scutarii I also revamped ship stats in order to make naval combat more decisive, and less a game of ping-pong batting enemy ships back and forth between your own fleets. I doubled all of the attack ratings, cut the defense to the bone, and reduced all the crews to a base of 10 (so 40 on Huge scale). That should make more a lot more ships being sunk rather than running away.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on June 06, 2009, 10:13:54 PM
I finished re-doing all of the Amazon faction unit info cards. Next I plan to redo all of the info cards for all the new non-Amazon units. That should keep me busy for a while.

I decided to finally integrate Riczu's ship mod before that. So now ATW has those spiffy boats of his:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/th_amazonpreview177ships.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/subrosa_florens/atw/amazonpreview177ships.jpg)
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on June 09, 2009, 04:37:41 PM
Those certainly look better than the vanilla ships.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on June 11, 2009, 12:16:54 AM
Indeed. Although they are awfully big. Still, it is their size that allows you to actually see some detail, as opposed to the vanilla ships.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Silver Wolf on June 11, 2009, 12:28:26 AM
I thing that those ships look great! And those new cards for Amazon units are very dynamic and nice ... Excellent work
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on June 17, 2009, 01:12:03 AM
Thank you Silver. But the credit all goes to Riczu, who created the ships.
Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: SubRosa on September 17, 2009, 12:14:48 AM
Amazon: Total War 3.0c is now out!

Go here (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=40) to download it.

Please note that this version and all future versions of ATW are for the Barbarian Invasion executable only. I have ceased support of the RTW exe.


Here is a full list of new features and changes:

Title: Amazon:Total War
Post by: Jubal on September 17, 2009, 08:11:22 PM
Ooh, nice! I'll take a gander on t' weekend.