Exilian
Off-topic and Chatter: The Jolly Boar Inn => Tabletop Games - The Game Room => Mordheim => Topic started by: Pentagathus on March 19, 2009, 07:23:56 PM
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As promised a possible shield bash house rule. Not finished yet.
Agaisnt unshielded opponents (obviously you need a shield yourself) you get one extra attack before your other attacks. This attack would be at the user's strength with +1 to hit (becuase of a shield's size) but you can't get a critical hit and the wound chart goes:
1 nothing
2-4 knocked down
5-6 stunned (only 6s if your opponent has a helmet.)
Since this would be before your other attacks you can attack your opponent while their on the floor if you knock them down or stun them which is the point of the shield bashin.
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very nice but doesnt tht overpower shields? :knight:
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I would go;
1-2 nothing
3 Opponent may not counterattack, you hit his weapon
4 Opponent knocked back d3", may not counterattack (can knock him off buildings)
5 knocked down
6 stunned
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I'm not sure how to work armour saves with this as it probably wouldn't make much difference when being hit with a shield.
Are helmets taken into account with your table?
Would the attacker have the option to follow up after rolling a 4?
I think for parrys, bucklers will get to parry as normal but if you succesfully parry with a sword/bracers then you automatically get the 3rd result.
To combat overpoweryness of shields I was thinking make shields -1 to initiative tests when climbing which makes sense as well since they would get in the way.
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So...
Shields give -1 to initiative when climbing, jumping or diving
Against unshielded opponents (obviously you need a shield yourself) you get one extra attack before your other attacks. This attack would be at the user's strength with +1 to hit (becuase of a shield's size) but you can't get a critical hit and after checking str against toughness the chart goes as follows:
1 Nothing, your hit goes wide and you miss your other attacks
2 Nothing
3 Opponent may not counterattack, you hit his weapon
4 Opponent knocked back d3", you and he may not counterattack (can knock him off buildings)
5 knocked down
6 stunned (helmets give 4+ save as normal)
That's a bit less OP, since there's now risk involved.
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Mabye replace the 1 on that chart with 1 to hit as you've already hit when rolling on that chart. It won't make any difference statistically but it would be faster than rolling to wound and for saves. Mabye it should be -1 to hit for all attacks instead as the idea is to ram your shield foward not swing it. If you think it's still to overpowered (like 2 handweapons/2 handed weapons currently are) then -1 attack.
Also if you hit your enemy's weapon, if they have another they can still attack with their offhand weapon (if they have multiple attacks they would still only get one attack back.)
And for the -1 initiative for climbing -1 to your roll might be better as then even I 6+ peeps still get penalised.
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And possibly there could be a strike to injure skill for shield bashing.
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me thinks that shields should be left as they are and if this rule does come into effect it becomes a cmbt skill and no penalties to Initiative
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If shields are left as they are then sheilds are left underpowered and still unrealisitc. And less fun. Also to balance it, instead of the roll a one on the effects chart thingymabob, the shield bash can only be used in the first turn of combat.
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Or even just when charging?
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remember many of the players are noobs so keeping it as combat skill would make everything much simpler and the games could flow much more easily
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@Jubal
Could do, but then shields are still a bit pointless when compared to an extra hand weapon.
Dec, the noobs don't know the rules anyway so new ones won't make it any harder for them.
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they give an armour save do they not?
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Yes but 6+ armour save is pretty armadillo compared to an extra attack, especialy since axes give -1 to armour save and combining shields with heavy armour leaves you at -1m.
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You need to send me the claimant's list Drippy so I can post the assingment thingy.
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but thts the fun of mordheim and shields are pretty cheap
we could always give shields wiv hand weps +1 save like warhammer and have the -1 I and the special skill
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Shield bash would be fun in mordhiem, lots of 2 hand weapons aren't particularily fun.
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well does my proposition stand?
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Penty, have you got both lists from us yet?
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No Jubal and I'm going out soon so the list would be apprecitated Drippy.
Drip, I would still prefer the shield bash to be for all shielded troops as driving people off buildings would be prety fun.
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We could have a couple houserules as optional, so experienced players can use them if they want to...
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That might lead to a bit of confusion though.
Looks like you guys are going to have to wait for me to get out of the shower before I post the lists now.
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Damn your hygiene! Damn it!
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Ok so the revised rules:
In the first turn of combat (if two fighters are already engaged in combat and another charges into the fight the model on it's own doesn't get the shield bash attack but the model charging could) a model armed using a shield may make a shield bash attack at a man sized model not using a shield. The attack is done before the model's other attacks unless they have an allways strikes first weapon in which case they can choose to strike in normal order and bash before attacking or bash after striking with their weapon.
This attack is at +1 to hit with normal strength and armour saves as normal (-str modifiers.) A buckler can be used to parry but if a weapon or bracers are used and succesfully parry then the model counts as having rolled a 3 on the table below.
1-2 nothing happens.
3 the opponent may not counterattack as you hit his weapon (if they have an offhand weapon they may still attack with that.)
4 the opponent is knocked back d3 inches and may not counter attack, the shield basher may elect to follow up.
5 knocked down
6 stunned (helmet saves may be taken)
Shields cannot use the cutting edge special rule.
And then mabye -1 to climbing/diving ect rolls if you guys think thats needed.