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Art, Writing, and Learning: The Clerisy Quarter => Writing, Poems, AARs, and Stories - The Storyteller's Hall => Topic started by: Jubal on May 14, 2009, 04:09:47 PM

Title: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on May 14, 2009, 04:09:47 PM
What are you reading atm? Is it good? Would you reccomend it?
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Post by: Silver Wolf on May 16, 2009, 02:22:07 PM
I'm reading The Sorrows of Young Werther by G
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Post by: comrade_general on May 16, 2009, 03:38:53 PM
The History of Middle Earth - Volume 7 - The Treason of Isengard
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Post by: Jubal on May 16, 2009, 04:48:05 PM
I have the histories, but haven't read right through them.  :D
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Post by: comrade_general on May 16, 2009, 06:57:36 PM
Quote from: "Jubal"
I have the histories, but haven't read right through them.  :D
That be what I'm doing  ;)

Here's my list so far:

The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings
 -The Fellowship of the Ring
 -The Two Towers
 -The Return of the King
The Silmarillion
The Children of Hurin
Unfinished Tales
The History of Middle Earth
 -The Book of Lost Tales Part 1
 -The Book of Lost Tales Part 2
 -The Lays of Beleriand
 -The Shaping of Middle-earth
 -The Lost Road and Other Writings
 -The Return of the Shadow
 -The Treason of Isengard (halfway)

and I have plenty more to read  B)
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Post by: Jubal on May 16, 2009, 07:03:11 PM
Unfinished tales is great.
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Post by: Jubal on May 30, 2009, 09:35:47 PM
I'm about to read the Iliad properly, I've never found time to yet.
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Post by: Silver Wolf on May 30, 2009, 09:49:12 PM
I don't like the Iliad ... It's too long and hard to understand
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Post by: Jubal on May 31, 2009, 09:01:38 AM
I quite enjoy Homer. The language is really just epic, which is good compared to the cruddy novels of today.
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Post by: Silver Wolf on June 03, 2009, 07:08:57 PM
I'm reading A Hero of our time by Lermontov and I must say that I like it... Last week I was reading The Black Cat by Edgar Allan Poe and I think that it is also a great book, although a bit short.
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Post by: Gen_Glory on June 07, 2009, 07:36:29 PM
dare i say it...

New Moon
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Post by: Darkstar707 on June 07, 2009, 10:15:23 PM
Your mind.

You dirty, dirty man.

Reread all the inheritance cycle, and LOTR. Might reread silmarillion.
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Post by: Son of the King on June 07, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
Quote
dare i say it...

New Moon
I've read the whole series. Was kind of forced to by my ex lol...
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Post by: Jubal on June 10, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
The Iliad now well underway. It's longwinded in parts, but it is pretty kickass IMO.
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Post by: comrade_general on July 11, 2009, 04:00:16 PM
The History of Middle Earth - Volume 8 - The War of the Ring
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Post by: comrade_general on July 29, 2009, 02:49:10 AM
The History of Middle Earth - Volume 9 - Sauron Defeated
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Post by: Silver Wolf on July 29, 2009, 11:55:26 AM
The return of the king (Croatian version)
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Post by: Darkstar707 on August 01, 2009, 12:36:48 AM
I'm not reading anything *slids pron magazine under bed*

I recently reread the silmarillion by Tolkien. Thinking about rereading The Hobbit.
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Post by: comrade_general on August 01, 2009, 02:14:22 AM
Quote from: "Darkstar707"
I'm not reading anything *slids pron magazine under bed*

I recently reread the silmarillion by Tolkien. Thinking about rereading The Hobbit.
slids? pron? the?

yeah, i cant wait to reread the hobbit after i finish this 12 volume history
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Post by: comrade_general on September 20, 2009, 05:34:05 AM
The History of Middle Earth - Volume 10 - Morgoth's Ring
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Post by: Jubal on October 30, 2009, 05:12:36 PM
Laurie Lee - As I walked out one Midsummer Morning
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Post by: comrade_general on December 11, 2009, 03:47:17 AM
The History of Middle Earth - Volume 11 - The War of the Jewels
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Post by: joek on December 16, 2009, 08:45:20 PM
Just re-reading Thirteen Reasons Why, by Jay asher, which is good but kind of depressing.
Also re-reading all the Watch books by Terry Pratchett, which is the best part of the Discworld books by far.
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Post by: Son of the King on January 08, 2010, 12:34:11 AM
I've just finished reading One, Two, Buckle My Shoe by Agatha Christie. I got that and two other Poirot books for Christmas, and decided I liked the change in genre.
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Post by: Jubal on January 08, 2010, 11:28:24 AM
I read Of Mice and Men yesterday. Ir's pretty god albeit tragic.
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Post by: comrade_general on January 08, 2010, 02:31:52 PM
Quote from: "Jubal"
I read Of Mice and Men yesterday. Ir's pretty god albeit tragic.
Yes it is good. It is a standard high school book 'round these parts.

You should also watch the movie - the Gary Sinise version.
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Post by: Jubal on January 08, 2010, 03:06:35 PM
Round here too, we're doing it at the moment. I quite like Steinbeck anyway (I've read Cannery Row and I've got the Grapes of Wroth for future reading), so it made sense to read it soone r rather than later.
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Post by: comrade_general on February 01, 2010, 04:47:16 AM
The History of Middle Earth - Volume 12 - The Peoples of Middle Earth

last one  :)
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Post by: Marcus on February 01, 2010, 05:34:18 AM
The Subtle Knife - Phillip Pullman
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Post by: Jubal on February 09, 2010, 01:47:54 PM
His Dark Materials is awesome.  :D
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Post by: Jubal on March 22, 2010, 11:01:07 PM
The Grapes of Wrath for me atm. :)
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Post by: CN2 on March 23, 2010, 09:09:22 PM
Currently reading the Emperor Series by Conn Iggulden. Brilliant books :D

Then onto Slash's auto-biography.
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Post by: comrade_general on April 14, 2010, 01:14:47 AM
Finally finished The History of Middle Earth. Here's my Tolkien list (started in fall 2008):

The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings
-The Fellowship of the Ring
-The Two Towers
-The Return of the King
The Silmarillion
The Children of Hurin
Unfinished Tales
The History of Middle Earth
-The Book of Lost Tales Part 1
-The Book of Lost Tales Part 2
-The Lays of Beleriand
-The Shaping of Middle-earth
-The Lost Road and Other Writings
-The Return of the Shadow
-The Treason of Isengard
-The War of the Ring
-Sauron Defeated
-Morgoth's Ring
-The War of the Jewels
-The Peoples of Middle-earth

Now I shall start the two volume History of the Hobbit when I feel like reading again.  ;)
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Post by: Marcus on April 14, 2010, 01:26:06 AM
comrade, you have a stronger reading will than I will ever have. I don't think I got past TRotK.
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Post by: Jubal on April 27, 2010, 04:55:55 PM
I haven't even read right through the histories (they are sitting on my shelves though!)
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Post by: Cuddly Khan on August 03, 2010, 07:14:48 AM
I am reading 2 books both with an average of about 700 pages (Go me  B)  ). One is called Ship of Magic Book One of the Liveship Traders By Robin Hobb and the other is Emperor: The Death of Kings By Conn Iggulden. Conn Iggulden and Robin Hobbs Books are realy good books ;) .
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Post by: Cuddly Khan on August 03, 2010, 07:27:04 AM
Quote from: "CN2"
Currently reading the Emperor Series by Conn Iggulden. Brilliant books :D

Then onto Slash's auto-biography.
What about the other series by Conn Iggulden, the one about Gangis Khan. I've read almost all of them (1-4 not book 5 yet got too stuck into the Emperor Series. Great books).
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Post by: Hopit on August 06, 2010, 08:53:23 PM
Reading  (in english)Imperial Guard Omnibus, after 5 Soul Drinker novels, grey knight omnibus, ultramarines omnibus, Space wolf omnibus and 2 Horus Herersy Novels. I'm such a nerd B) after that 1 I'm reading Blood Angels Omnibus
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Post by: Jubal on August 15, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
I read Beasts in my Belfry by Gerald Durrell recently. If you have any love of animals his books are a must, brilliantly funny in the older and more genteel sense of the word and pretty heartwarming too. Also I'm currently reading The Far Pavilions, which is a stunning epic set in India maybe 20 years after the Mutiny.
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Post by: Hopit on August 15, 2010, 04:13:32 PM
blood angels omnibus suqs...
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Post by: Jubal on August 16, 2010, 10:39:28 AM
40K is just a ***t universe for stories. It's TOO dark, so everything just feels broken.
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Post by: Hopit on August 16, 2010, 05:00:10 PM
no it doesnt :D
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Post by: Cuddly Khan on August 17, 2010, 06:45:51 AM
I've read the halo books, there good.
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Post by: Viao on August 18, 2010, 05:35:59 PM
"The sea of Trolls" and WOW is it good.
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Post by: Silver Wolf on August 20, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
Blood on the Reik is a very interesting book... It's a bit short and it's full of drawings (which are the best part of the book actually)...
It's a must for every WHF fan...
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Post by: Jubal on August 21, 2010, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: "Viao"
"The sea of Trolls" and WOW is it good.
Who's it by?
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Post by: Silver Wolf on September 09, 2010, 08:20:55 PM
Franz Kafka : The Metamorphosis
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Post by: Captain Carthage on January 22, 2011, 11:54:48 PM
V for Vendetta.
Ruddy spiffing.
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Post by: Son of the King on January 23, 2011, 12:29:40 AM
The Collected Stories - Arthur C. Clarke
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Post by: comrade_general on January 23, 2011, 01:38:41 AM
Just read a few snippets from The Celts by Gerhard Herm.

Nordic "Atlantians" and other protohistoric-european-superpowers, 700 year carbon dating errors, and theories on the Ur (the "original" people) from which descended all Indo-Europeans. (those are the not-so-Celtic chapters)

A wee bit farcical at times but an interesting read.
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Post by: Phoenixguard09 on January 23, 2011, 03:25:42 AM
Quote from: "comrade_general"
Just read a few snippets from The Celts by Gerhard Herm.

Nordic "Atlantians" and other protohistoric-european-superpowers, 700 year carbon dating errors, and theories on the Ur (the "original" people) from which descended all Indo-Europeans. (those are the not-so-Celtic chapters)

A wee bit farcical at times but an interesting read.
Aaah that sounds good.  I'd like to read that I think.  

Unlike usually, I'm not actually reading anything at the moment, focusing instead on modding and flitting between new, and therefore crap White Dwarfs.
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Post by: debux on January 23, 2011, 06:46:52 AM
"Collapse" by Jared Diamond. I've only read three chapters and I've already stopped at least 3 times reading to reflect on what the book made me think about. I highly recommend it. Basically, as the title reads, it's the attempt to explain the collapse of societies and cultures.

Too bad I haven't been able to advance much, there quite a bit to do in San Francisco (besides of learning to use PS3 controllers)
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Post by: Phoenixguard09 on January 23, 2011, 06:52:43 AM
Oh, I've got something, Temeraire (or His Majesty's Dragon for you American folks)  Combines Napoleonic warfare, with Dragons.  Excellent read, they are so good.
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Post by: Hopit on January 23, 2011, 09:34:45 AM
Dead men walking by steven lyons
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Post by: Doomchild on January 23, 2011, 06:48:50 PM
The Gun: The AK-47 and the Evolution of War by C. J. Chiver. Really intresting goes through the invention of different automatic weapons as well as thier reception and use in warfare
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Post by: Jubal on January 23, 2011, 09:18:13 PM
You revolutionary, you.  :P

I really want to get round to reading my lovely shiny copy of the Alexiad, but haven't gotten round to it yet. :(
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Post by: Doomchild on January 23, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
yup just getting all the info i can before staging my militray coup. Also reading Sun Tzu's art of war so im totally prepared
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Post by: Jubal on January 23, 2011, 10:08:53 PM
You actually have a copy of art of war? Can I borrow it at some point?
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Post by: Marcus on January 23, 2011, 10:21:38 PM
That's like having War and Peace in your bathroom. :P
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Post by: Doomchild on January 23, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
@Jubal

Yer sure, it's not a very good copy though, poor formating. It's also got 'the book of five rings' in it which is also about military strategy but was written by a samurai
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Post by: comrade_general on January 23, 2011, 10:39:56 PM
It's really cheap on Amazon ;)
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Post by: Andalus on January 26, 2011, 11:59:55 PM
I just finished "The Owl Killers" by Karen Maitland. Excellent novel, set in the fictional village of Ulewic in 1321 England, where pagan superstitions and leaders still rule beneath the Christian facade. It follows the struggles of a group of religious women from Flanders attempting to set up a beguinage (define:beguinage (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3Abeguinage)) in the village and the obstacles they face from both pagan and church alike.

It's a very good tale, with a great historical backdrop, featuring the struggles of common people in the 14th century, faith and the lack of it, and a touch of horror. I recommend it.
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Post by: Othko97 on October 27, 2012, 03:19:15 PM
I just finished rereading The Art of War (written by Sun Tzu) and The Book of Five Rings (by Musashi Miyamoto). I've also been reading (on and off) On the Origin of the Species since about April. I'm about to start The Prince and The Art of War, both by Niccolo Machiavelli.

Necroposting FTW.
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Post by: Jubal on October 27, 2012, 03:22:45 PM
I've read The Art of War, it's an interesting book.

I've got the Prince on my bookshelf, but it keeps getting neglected in favour of riveting titles like Bruce Campbell's "English Seigniorial Agriculture 1250-1450"  :P
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Post by: Doomchild on October 28, 2012, 12:44:07 AM
Read the Prince its fascinating
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Post by: debux on October 31, 2012, 02:14:27 AM
I've tried starting "The Girl of the Dragon Tattoo"... but failed horribly. Time seems to run by so quickly, it makes me feel really old, and I'm supposed to be in the prime of my life.
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Post by: Silver Wolf on October 31, 2012, 09:03:16 PM
I feel exactly the same. It's like my days are constantly getting shorter and shorter.
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Post by: Othko97 on October 31, 2012, 10:05:38 PM
Might be because the nights are drawing in up in the northern hemisphere... :P
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Post by: debux on November 02, 2012, 12:15:31 AM
Whereas, here, in the southern hemisphere, longer daytime causes the illusion that ones has more time in the day... I'm still surprised to find that it's sunset at 9 o'clock, as I still think that it should be at 7 o'clock (and technically deducting two hours of my day)
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Post by: Jubal on December 06, 2012, 12:32:18 AM
Death of Kings, Bernard Cornwell. Bunch of Saxons and Danes stabbing each other == a good evening.  ;D
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Post by: debux on December 06, 2012, 01:55:53 AM
Woha! Finally an author I have a mild knowledge about. Doesn't feel right to know him only because of his most famous series, no matter how awesome those books are.

I'm going to give the tattoed girl another try, starting it again tonight! ;D
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Post by: Othko97 on April 25, 2013, 10:52:43 PM
Recently finished the Hunger Games trilogy, now I have made the grave mistake of starting reading A Song Of Ice and Fire just before my exams. Why, oh why did I choose now to start reading an addictive series?
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Post by: Clockwork on July 15, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
I have just bought and will start reading soon a book called Atlas Shrugged. Why? Because Bioshock is awesome and I wanted to understand better the philosophy behind Rapture without actually reading a book on objectivism.
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Post by: Jubal on July 15, 2013, 10:53:35 PM
Eww, Ayn Rand. I mean, I ought to read it too at some point, but still ew Ayn Rand.  :P
Let me know what you think/whether I should read it too :)

I've just finished Wolf Hall, the first of two big historical novels on Thomas Cromwell, and am now reading some classic Pratchett (though not discworld, The Dark Side of the Sun, it's sci-fi stuff :) )
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Post by: Clockwork on July 15, 2013, 11:54:11 PM
What's wrong with Ayn Rand? She seems delightful, if slightly sociopathic.

I heard good things about the Cromwell novels, they're good I take it? It shames me to admit this, but I've never been able to read more than a chapter or two of Pratchett :(
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Post by: Othko97 on July 16, 2013, 08:12:35 AM
I need to buy A Storm of Swords, then I can continue reading :P
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Post by: Silver Wolf on October 20, 2013, 04:51:53 PM
Robert E. Howard.
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Post by: Jubal on October 20, 2013, 05:02:54 PM
Thucydides - term hath once more started.  :-\
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Post by: Othko97 on November 04, 2013, 09:54:10 PM
Just finished World War Z. It was actually quite interesting, as it covered more about the social, cultural and personal effects of a near-apocalypse, and wasn't just Brad Pitt running around shooting stuff up :P

Also recently finished:
Quiet - Susan Cain - an eye opening book on introversion and the cultural views surrounding it, I really would recommend to, like, anyone
The Art of War - Niccolo Macchiavelli - In my humble opinion a bit of a drag, as it goes too far into specific details, but it's still worth a read for the wider tactics for anyone so inclined
An Abundance of Katherines - John Green - Can't say much because spoilers, but like all of John Green's books I would highly recommend
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Post by: Jubal on November 04, 2013, 10:24:22 PM
I really should read some John Green - generally I've got about zero fictional reading done so far this term (excluding history books which are wrong, but there the fictions are unintentional :P )

This week, lots of books on Sparta  :)
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Post by: debux on November 04, 2013, 11:07:16 PM
They better mention Gerald Butler, or else you should consider kicking the books out the window and write letters to the authors in a similar fashion to this "This is NOT SPARTAAAAAAA"
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Post by: Jubal on November 04, 2013, 11:14:12 PM
These were mostly written in the 1980s, so it seems a bit unfair to require that of them   :P
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Post by: debux on November 06, 2013, 01:29:02 AM
False! They should have anticipated the brilliant minds behind Hollywood and the consumers that keep it alive
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Post by: Paramythion on November 06, 2013, 04:09:37 AM
Making my way through the ever spectacular Aubrey/Maturin series, for something like the eighth time.
Lost to the West, by Lars Brownworth. Quite a engaging read on the Byzantines, although rather clearly biased about some of the personalities he discusses.
And Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman. Which has been utterly fantastic so far.
Not sure what to read once I have finished tackling this bunch of books. I am considering re-trying the Game of Thrones series, although I couldn't even bring myself to finish the first book last time.
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Post by: comrade_general on November 09, 2013, 09:11:38 PM
The Mothman Prophecies by John Keel. Very interesting look at the paranormal world. Should finish it in a day.

After that recommend Invisible Residents by Ivan Sanderson for similar topics.
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Post by: Scarlet on November 10, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
The Geology of New Zealand Volume I? :P I am a cool cool kid.
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Post by: Pentagathus on November 10, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
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I might go to the local library and see what books are aboot, I only brought the hobbit up here and although its a bitchin book I reckon it'l get a bit stale if I re-read it too much.
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Post by: Jubal on November 10, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
This week, Alexander. All the Alexander.  :)
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Post by: debux on November 13, 2013, 10:53:23 PM
Every single one of them?
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Post by: Othko97 on November 14, 2013, 07:26:13 AM
After gathering £30 in WHSmith vouchers from my school, I have now bought: The Great Gatsby, Catcher in the Rye, The Book Thief and some others :P
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Post by: Jubal on November 14, 2013, 09:24:36 AM
Let me know what you thought of Catcher in the Rye. Because I found it really, really dull.  :P

I think it's supposed to be good because of all the themes of adolescent rebellion etc... but I just never related to that maybe?
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Post by: Gen_Glory on November 15, 2013, 10:15:34 PM
World War Z....
Holy hell is it a gripping book, I just want to know more, expand the stories more!
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Post by: Othko97 on November 16, 2013, 03:21:51 PM
@Dripping D: Oh Dear Lord I know! That book is incredible. The film, by contrast is apparently awful :/

@Jubal: Reading Gatsby at the moment, so I can't comment yet :P
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Post by: debux on November 16, 2013, 06:06:12 PM
I'd like to hear your opinion of "The Catcher in the Rye". I still can't understand the message the author was trying to get through.

(It seems it took me *way* to long to answer, I was behind by a whole page!)
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Post by: Gen_Glory on November 16, 2013, 11:14:31 PM
Just from the trailers you can tell they are only the same in namesake, shame really as a really great film (or tv series) could of been made, not just another 'american family man sets out to save the world'
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Post by: Skull on November 16, 2013, 11:18:03 PM
That book is incredible. The film, by contrast is apparently awful :/

I think the same could be said about "The Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco...
The movie kinda missed the point of the book about the "Dark Middle ages".
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Post by: Jubal on March 30, 2014, 12:02:55 AM
Currently reading "Fear of the Dark" - which is a Doctor Who novel about the 5th doctor, by Trevor Baxendale. Very good so far.  :)
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Post by: Cuddly Khan on March 30, 2014, 02:45:12 AM
Currently reading Raymond E. Feist's books. Magician is one of the best (Of not the best) books I've ever read.
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Post by: Death Nade on April 02, 2014, 06:41:00 AM
Just finished a couple of books, The bridge to Wisemans cove and The eleventh commandment. I'm also reading Raymond E. Feist's books (courtesy of Khan).
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Post by: Cuddly Khan on April 02, 2014, 08:34:36 AM
Which one are you up to? :P I've nearly finished "Murder in LaMut", it starts out a bit boring but it gets pretty cool (As a lot of books do).
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Post by: Silver Wolf on April 02, 2014, 09:12:49 AM
After seeing this thread I've realized that I haven't read anything besides a few Robert E. Howard's short stories in more than a year and a half.
Just tons of science papers and chemistry books with an occasional biochemistry, physiology book and other biological stuff.

And that's kind of sad.
Well, back to geobotanics then. Boredom is not going to bore itself.
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Post by: Jubal on April 02, 2014, 02:37:17 PM
Fear of the Dark was very good and would recommend.

Also read The Dancers At The End of Time recently. Very, very weird and somewhat trippy. But well written.
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Post by: TTG4 on April 02, 2014, 04:05:15 PM
After seeing this thread I've realized that I haven't read anything besides a few Robert E. Howard's short stories in more than a year and a half.
Just tons of science papers and chemistry books with an occasional biochemistry, physiology book and other biological stuff.

And that's kind of sad.
Well, back to geobotanics then. Boredom is not going to bore itself.

In the same sort of boat, barely get any chance to read for pleasure any more! Hopefully after finals are done I can have free time again! Last book I finished was Citadel by Kate Mosse, she creates really engaging characters that I just find myself getting hooked. Whenever I get chance I dip into 'And now on Radio 4' by Simon Elmes, it's quite interesting to see how the radio section of the BBC has changed over time.
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Post by: Son of the King on April 06, 2014, 11:38:39 AM
I've recently started reading the Discworld books, anyone else read them?
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Post by: Pentagathus on April 06, 2014, 11:53:45 AM
I speak for many of us when I say yes and they are awesome. Enjoy. The enjoy part is from me, I can't speak for the others regarding that one.
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Post by: Jubal on April 06, 2014, 01:52:23 PM
They are excellent. The first few and the most recent few are a little less good, perhaps, but some of the middle ones are stunningly good. As a whole they're the best corpus of satire a single author has produced in the English language, for my money.
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Post by: Tom on April 06, 2014, 06:37:01 PM
Man, the discworld is such a great universe :)
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Post by: TTG4 on April 22, 2014, 01:47:05 AM
Finished the R4 thing, good fun. Making a start on Ken Follett 'Winter of the World'. This series hasn't been as good as pillars of the earth, some of the characters are quite unbelivable (especially the children) but I do like the way he weaves the plotlines together with historical events.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on May 09, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
I'm reading lots of history (and odd bits of obscure Tolkien).

Has anyone else read Tal-Elmar here? It's an unfinished short story at the end of the Histories of Middle-Earth, and it's rathergood.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: comrade_general on May 09, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
Have read everything of Middle Earth, but that was years ago so I not remember much.  :-\

Can you expand?
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on May 09, 2014, 11:09:08 PM
It's about some guy in the lower Anduin region at the time of the Numenoreans coming to settle, where the natives have this basically neolithic culture and Numenoreans turn up with bows and swords and suchlike. And it includes a guy called Hazad Longbeard, which is a) a fantastic name and b) the description of his pride in his beard is wonderful.
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Post by: comrade_general on May 09, 2014, 11:23:59 PM
I scantly remember that one. :(
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Post by: Jubal on May 09, 2014, 11:31:37 PM
Right at the end of Book 12 of the Histories, if you have them to hand.  :gandalfgrey:
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: comrade_general on May 09, 2014, 11:38:30 PM
I don't, I libraried them way back when. :(
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Othko97 on July 30, 2014, 08:33:58 PM
Currently I am reading Periodic Tales, a book which talks more about the history of the elements, rather than their chemical properties. It is the latest in a LONG line of books which I got at Christmas :P
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Post by: Pentagathus on July 30, 2014, 09:12:23 PM
Sounds wibulnib.

Hey what the fudge? Why has the common term for masturbate been replaced with wibulnib? I am outraged that my culture is being so blatantly offended!
Exilian isn't even exilian anymore!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Othko97 on July 30, 2014, 09:41:08 PM
This brings whole new meaning to your title.
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Post by: Jubal on July 30, 2014, 10:18:25 PM
I'm just kind of amused it's taken everyone this long to notice. I'll change it if you're that offended.
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Post by: Cuddly Khan on July 31, 2014, 08:54:02 AM
I wonder what other stuff has been added to the custom language filter. :P
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on July 31, 2014, 10:21:28 AM
Nah don't bother, I don't actually give many portugals.
Although having said that, does that particular word even need censoring?
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on July 31, 2014, 11:55:23 AM
I dunno, I just changed a bunch of words because I thought it might be kind of amusing.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on August 03, 2014, 08:30:44 PM
I've very recently read one of Neil Gaiman's latest novels, "The Ocean at the End of the Lane", and I recommend it. It has something of the feel of "The Graveyard Book", in that the protagonist is a child, but the story is rather different - almost horror, in some ways.

Looking back, I've enjoyed everything that I've read by Gaiman: novels "American Gods", "The Graveyard Book", "Neverwhere" and "Stardust", and "Good Omens" (with Terry Pratchett); short story collections "Smoke and Mirrors" and "Fragile Things".
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on August 04, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
I should read more Neil Gaiman... currently on "The Moor's Last Sigh" which is by Salman Rushdie. It's an interesting read and he's an excellent writer, very different to the pacier style of most modern western novellists.  :)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on August 21, 2014, 01:36:10 PM
I've just finished reading "The Lord of Middle Air" by Michael Scott Rohan. T'was amazingly good and I heartily recommend it. I'm surprised I've never heard of this author before, definitely going to check out his other works.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on August 22, 2014, 01:42:09 AM
... "The Lord of Middle Air" by Michael Scott Rohan. T'was amazingly good and I heartily recommend it. ...
I agree - he's a very good writer who's published frustratingly little, and seemingly nothing at all since 2001 (which is probably why you've not heard of him). There's a probably complete bibliography on his Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scott_Rohan). He also has his own website (http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mike.scott.rohan/) that explains more about his work, though there several unfinished pages, and it looks as if it's not been updated since 1998!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on August 22, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
Thus prompted, I re-read Run To The Stars in one sitting last night. It's an SF thriller, set in a near-ish future dystopian world.

I think the "Winter of the World" trilogy is probably next: The Anvil of Ice, The Forge in the Forest, The Hammer of the Sun. Heroic-ish fantasy set during the Ice Age, weaving in elements of Norse and Finnish mythology. I say heroic-ish because the "good" characters are not uniformly so: they can make bad decisions, their actions can hurt others. There's also a peculiar appeal to me in that, judging by the place names, the principal language is Cornish or Breton!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on August 23, 2014, 09:58:53 AM
I've been reading the winter of the world trilogy, not far through the forge in the forest yet. To be honest I was a bit disappointed, its a good tale so far but its very different from the lords of the middle air. The style of writing and sometimes the main protagonist's character reminds me of the children of hurin, not sure yet if thats a good thing or not.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on August 24, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
Despite my intention, I haven't got started on MSR's "Winter of the World" yet. I also have a copy of Iain M. Banks' Surface Detail which I got about halfway through some months ago. This is unusual - I normally read a new book right through, as fast as other commitments will allow. Anyway, I had a couple of hours on trains yesterday, so I picked it up again and have got back into it. I think it's going to be very good - possibly one of Banks' best.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Cuddly Khan on August 29, 2014, 11:06:07 AM
I'm reading the Metro 2033 book. It's actually really good. I recomend it.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Tom on September 27, 2014, 01:18:30 PM
I'm reading the long earth at the moment and I'm loving it.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Cuddly Khan on September 27, 2014, 11:19:08 PM
I'm reading Exilian E-book
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on February 19, 2015, 11:50:10 PM
I'm now on Stephen Donaldson's The Last Dark. It's the last in his series "The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant". I read the first Thomas Covenant book over thirty years ago; I'm reading this last one at least partly just to find out what happens in the end. I'm about halfway through it, and I'm struggling to see how things can come to any sort of happy ending at all. Donaldson seems to have gone to some lengths to paint his characters into a corner.

After this, I will probably move on to Ann Leckie's Ancillary Justice. I have heard only good things about it, and it's won all the major literary SF awards.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on April 04, 2015, 12:02:58 AM
I finished The Last Dark some while ago. There was a great deal of to-ing and fro-ing, of running away and fighting. In the end, I think all the loose ends got resolved, and Donaldson probably managed to ensure that he never has to write another Thomas Covenant book again. I'm not sure that this, and the previous three books, are going to end up on my bookshelves - I doubt I will want to re-read them.

Then I moved on to Ancillary Justice. I was less enthused about it than I expected to be, based on the awards and so on. It has a lot of interesting ideas, and I think it's well-written, but it didn't have the 'spark' that would have grabbed me. Maybe it would have helped if I had read it in one go, rather than intermittent 15-minute doses on the bus to and from work.

I've now moved on to some non-fiction: Germania by Simon Winder. It's a history of Germany from the Roman Empire up to 1933. It's a complex subject, and I hope I will finish the book understanding it better. After that it will probably be the same author's Danubia, a history of the Habsburg empire in Europe.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on April 04, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Mostly lots of Herodotus, the Tom Holland translation. It's very interesting, quite stressful working out what one is meant to extract from it for a coursework essay though.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Othko97 on April 24, 2015, 06:49:10 PM
I've been re-reading Tolkien recently.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Lizard on April 24, 2015, 10:00:55 PM
Book Club is reading World War Z, so I guess I'm rereading that? I'm also reading Child 44, which if you're as into Soviet-era Russia as I am, is a total hoot.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on April 25, 2015, 01:43:33 AM
Finished with Byzantines (for a little while, I'm not abandoning them forever!), back to reading Archaic Greek poetry...
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on May 01, 2015, 07:15:40 AM
Been reading Tolkien's Tales of the Perilous Realm for the first time, regret not doing this sooner.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on May 01, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
It's very good :)

More Herodotus here :/
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Post by: Lizard on May 11, 2015, 11:41:01 AM
Started re-reading Catcher in the Rye to honour my soon-to-be JD Salinger-related tattoo <3
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on December 26, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
I just read the Shepherd's Crown - the last Pratchett book - this morning, it was great :) Though really really sad to know that it's the last of them.  :'(

Also pinned, we should use this thread more, it's good.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: comrade_general on December 26, 2015, 06:45:18 PM
Got Walden from my unit for Xmas.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on December 26, 2015, 07:07:15 PM
The Wood Beyond The World, by William Morris. It was published in 1895, and is perhaps the first modern fantasy novel. I have some more Morris books with me for the weekend.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on December 26, 2015, 07:18:04 PM
^ These both look/sound like things I should read!

Meanwhile I'm back to John Kinnamos' "Deeds of John and Manuel Komnenos", and trying not to regret my choice of topic for this essay too much...
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Lady Grey on February 26, 2016, 10:24:39 PM
I'm in the process of reading a few things at the moment.
Really getting into the Agatha Christies - I'm reading 'The Clocks' currently. Also reading the movie novelization of Crimson Peak before I see the film - I want to mentally prepare myself! SotK got me a sort-of companion to Crimson Peak as well call 'The Art of Darkness' which is sort-of a making of etc. which is a gorgeous book.


I also finished The Hourglass Factory by Lucy Ribchester a while ago - I loved it - right down my street! :D


AND I have the Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children series to start!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on February 26, 2016, 11:02:12 PM
Those Morris books do sound like something I'd enjoy. Currently reading nothing except a physiology text book. Fun fun.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on April 16, 2016, 10:54:41 PM
I'm reading Donald Rayfield's "History of Georgia", which I just bought for myself - it's really very well written, in terms of focus it skews to the modern but it's big enough to incorporate several chapters on the middle ages which are very good. Would recommend, though keeping track of the different names (especially if you don't know the geography) is a tad tough! :)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on May 22, 2016, 11:19:43 PM
I've just finished a re-read of Diana Wynne Jones' The Tough Guide to Fantasyland. It's written as a sort of generic travel guide to the worlds found in a lot of modern fantasy, and consists mostly of a series of encyclopedia-style entries describing all the features that the tourist might expect to find during a visit to Fantasyland. There are some unexpected insights - for example, that Fantasyland horses appear to breed by pollination, and that the staple diet seems to be stew.

As I heard the story, Diana Wynne Jones read a lot of generic fantasy to write entries for the Encyclopedia of Fantasy, and she then wrote the Tough Guide to get the experience out of her system. It's all done quite humorously, but the Guide points out many features of fantasy writing that have been repeated somewhat mindlessly by a lot of authors. I'm reasonably confident that at least one author changed various aspects of their fantasy world after reading the Guide.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on May 22, 2016, 11:54:02 PM
That sounds like a fun read, I should look out for it...

I don't think I've ever made characters eat stew in anything I've written. Possibly because I'm not a great fan of stews myself!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on May 23, 2016, 12:29:11 AM
That sounds like a fun read, I should look out for it...
Yes, I recommend it. Unfortunately, it's very probably out of print - it was first published in 1996 and I haven't seen it in bookshops for a long time. It probably won't often appear for sale second-hand either.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: comrade_general on May 23, 2016, 12:58:46 AM
Could it be found online maybe?
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on May 23, 2016, 07:38:31 AM
Could it be found online maybe?
Yes (or so Google tells me). It's also more widely available as a paper copy than I expected, perhaps as a result of a US revised edition as recently as 2006.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Son of the King on June 06, 2016, 08:07:47 PM
Currently reading Iron Winter, the third book in the Northland trilogy by Stephen Baxter.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: vulcanology on April 03, 2018, 02:00:27 AM
Old forum but I might as well drop my recent reads in here. I just finished 'a long way to a small angry planet' recently and would absolutely recommend it to anyone who is into the space-faring area of science fiction. I also finished 'The Martian' after putting off reading it for ages and it was fantastic - honestly right up my alley for the kind of tone I love in writing.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on April 03, 2018, 11:14:39 PM
Don't worry, we're very relaxed about necroposting :)

The last book I read was Zen Cho's Sorceror to the Crown, which is a sort of Victoriana-themed magicians-and-faery book. It was well written, though it sort of threw me that there was a pseudo-Victoriana in the writing style itself - it was kept extremely verbose throughout, which I assume was to keep it in-theme, though the plot was so thoroughly un-Victorian (and in a good way) that it jarred a little. I think Zen Cho actually lives in London, but it nonetheless felt like a slightly international view of how England is (which is to say, divided between "London" and "The Countryside Which Has Funny Named Places In It") - so there were a couple of things like that which made me feel a bit like I was in a rather "thin" sort of Victoriana setting, which was a pity in some ways as the faery stuff was really nicely done and she's clearly got a great talent for world-building, so adding depth to the human world would've been nice. It was a very neat plot, anyhow, and tied together very nicely, and it dealt with societies and the importance (or not) of The Rules and of bureaucracy-politics in a way which appealed to me. It examined the differences between human and faery moralities in an interesting way, too, which I liked. Would recommend, anyway, if sorcerors with complex relations with their familiars and victorian gentlemen having to seek audiences with fairy kings and so on is up your alley.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: comrade_general on April 05, 2018, 04:10:23 AM
Hory sheet need a tl;dr on that, hue.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Lady Grey on April 27, 2018, 11:13:13 PM
Don't worry, we're very relaxed about necroposting :)

The last book I read was Zen Cho's Sorceror to the Crown, which is a sort of Victoriana-themed magicians-and-faery book. It was well written, though it sort of threw me that there was a pseudo-Victoriana in the writing style itself - it was kept extremely verbose throughout, which I assume was to keep it in-theme, though the plot was so thoroughly un-Victorian (and in a good way) that it jarred a little. I think Zen Cho actually lives in London, but it nonetheless felt like a slightly international view of how England is (which is to say, divided between "London" and "The Countryside Which Has Funny Named Places In It") - so there were a couple of things like that which made me feel a bit like I was in a rather "thin" sort of Victoriana setting, which was a pity in some ways as the faery stuff was really nicely done and she's clearly got a great talent for world-building, so adding depth to the human world would've been nice. It was a very neat plot, anyhow, and tied together very nicely, and it dealt with societies and the importance (or not) of The Rules and of bureaucracy-politics in a way which appealed to me. It examined the differences between human and faery moralities in an interesting way, too, which I liked. Would recommend, anyway, if sorcerors with complex relations with their familiars and victorian gentlemen having to seek audiences with fairy kings and so on is up your alley.


SotK bought me that one for Christmas, yet to read it though :)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on January 08, 2019, 04:18:04 PM
My first completed book of 2019: The Hundred Year Old Man Who Climbed Out Of The Window And Disappeared.

I absolutely loved it and would definitely recommend. It's a little like Forrest Gump in style - that is, the focus is on an ordinary-ish character who has had an utterly extraordinary life and met a ton of major world leaders and generally inadvertently changed the course of history. It's very, very funny, and written in a flash back/forward system between the present and sections of the eponymous character's past. It also includes an elephant, several explosions, dodgy fruit sales businesses, about half the major international wars in the twentieth century, and several glasses of vodka. :)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on February 02, 2019, 09:37:54 PM
And I've finally finished Sholokov's The Don Flows Home To The Sea. It's... big, for one thing, and it's only the second half of the Tikhii Don epic (the first part being Quiet Flows the Don). It's a book with a heavy, painful realism to it, but one that perhaps finds that clashing now and again with the author's wish to write a tragedy. Covering the cossack revolts and Russian civil war from 1919 to 1921 roughly, its protagonist, Gregor Melekhov, is a well-off cossack who ends up fighting for insurgents, whites, reds, and bandits; there's a lot of battle drama and cossacks sabring people to death, though the focus of the novel is on the complex web of character interactions as members of the cossack village of Tatarsk end up fighting for different sides and dealing with war. It probably contains considerably more vodka than the book I mentioned in my previous post.

Next bit has spoilers:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Since my muscles have been playing up today and I couldn't do all the word processing I had planned, I also read right through If Only They Could Talk, which is the first book by James Herriot (actually a pseud but I've forgotten the guy's real name) about his career as a vet. It's a very nice read; funny in a gentle and very British way, good for observations on Yorkshire and its people, and on animals too. Not necessarily a book for the squeamish, since it spares little when it comes to shoving the accidentally passed uterus of a cow back into its body and similar things like that. It's the first book I've read in 2019 that does not include significant quantities of vodka.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on February 25, 2019, 01:06:10 PM
Lots of books recently!

I read all three books of N.K. Jemisin's The Broken Earth trilogy and I would hugely recommend them. Very powerful, punchy fantasy writing with a somewhat post-apocalypse vibe that tackles issues of oppression and slavery etc in ways I'm not that used to seeing in the fantasy genre. Her writing style is interesting, lots of second person text - the effect is spectacular though. I was left feeling less like I feel after reading most fantasy and more like after something like LOTR, in that I think Broken Earth really gave me a very different possible baseline look at what can be done with the fantasy genre, and I think it'll deservedly become a classic. Some books just hit you that way.

Also on the recently read & highly recommended: The Palace Job by Patrick Weekes. Very different to the Broken Earth - where the Broken Earth books are heavy, epic, and powerful, The Palace Job is just very, very good fun  - essentially it's a fairly played straight fantasy heist novel, executed very well and with a sharply written character cast and witty dialogue. It revels in its plot-writing, and continual twists and turns of who is one step ahead of whom. Despite being 400 pages or so it was a pretty quick read, it drags you through the plot at quite a pace.

I'm also partway through Ulysses, but I'll write that up when I'm done with it, which might be a while yet. It's... big. And mostly written in streams of consciousness.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on April 16, 2019, 05:31:57 PM
I was so exhausted after finishing Ulysses that I didn't bother writing anything about it at the time!

It was an interesting read, though not one I'll do again in a hurry - I was left a bit sceptical about its claims to be a sort of everyman paean to the human condition, and found it very wrapped up in past mentalities and social norms that felt ill at ease with how I think about the world. This is a problem with stream of consciousness novels - if you're doing it for a poem, that's one thing, but when you're spending 900 pages in someone else's brain, that's quite an undertaking if you're not sure you actually like the person all that much. The whole book is very very clever - the wordplay is intricate, the framing is very sharp, etc - but perhaps it does that at the expense of readability a bit. All in all, a decent read and I'm glad I did it, but I'm also a little bit glad it's done and I can find a few easier things on the brain to tackle next!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Clockwork on April 16, 2019, 08:03:10 PM
I may have posted this before but it's worth a repost even if I have: If you're a fan of absurdist very British humour, go read Lint by Steve Aylett. It's a masterpiece of a niche market.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on April 16, 2019, 11:20:50 PM
Ooh, I'd not even heard of it. That sounds a good idea for a read :)

I think the next thing on my list will be One Hundred Years of Solitude, which looks like it'll be interesting.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on May 19, 2019, 11:01:35 PM
I finished reading 100 Years of Solitude! It's definitely a "wow" level book, and it has a particular sort of creeping way of drawing you on through the multigenerational, semi magical and semi real, family tragedy that forms the core of its plot. There are so many tiny threads which can span multiple generations, and yet also repetition as character names and traits are recycled through the family. It deals with a number of really major themes, many of them quite grim ones, and the blurring of truth and fiction creates a powerful but also miasmic soup of a setting that one can just sort of sleepwalk through along with the characters. Would definitely recommend.
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Post by: Pentagathus on May 20, 2019, 03:37:02 PM
Sound good wi L try
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Post by: Jubal on June 27, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Let me know what you think if you ever do :)

I just finished reading Shalimar the Clown, in what I guess is a slightly similar genre in some ways, though it's much less heavily magical realist and has more political/thriller elements to it. It's by Salman Rushdie and it's very intense, with the various characters being pulled apart both by their difficult (and, often, violent) personal lives and by political turmoil, especially the war in Kashmir though numerous other 20th century conflicts also make important appearances. Rushdie isn't really a thriller or plot-centric writer, and he's much more about characters and storytelling than about plots and pacing, and it's definitely at its best when exploring the relationships between the characters, their psychology, their history, and the history and folklore of their backgrounds. If anything I'd have liked that to come through more strongly at the tail end of the book, but that's a minor flaw - there were certainly moments where the emotional weight of the book really hit through in a way that not many books manage, and it's that narrative method of essentially binding together pain and brutality with history and narrative in a way that makes it almost, but not quite, comprehensible that I think this book does really very well. Very powerful read.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on September 22, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
My read for this trip to the UK was Lud-in-the-mist by Hope Mirrlees - which I absolutely loved. It's a 1920s (I think) piece of fairytale/fantasy writing, involving a land on the borders of faerie and the attempts of its people to avoid falling under the spell of fairy fruit. It was apparently quite influential on Neil Gaiman and I can see how, it's a very good piece of fairy-story fantasy. I probably enjoyed it more than most things I've read in quite some time.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Tusky on October 31, 2019, 03:28:45 PM
I am re-reading the dragons of autumn twilight at the moment. It must be 20 years since I read it, but still enjoying it. Still, amazed at how much I remember from it!
I can't tell if it's because of nostalgia, or it is actually a good fantasy tale. I think it's latter, but as I say I can't tell how much I'm being biased.

Has anyone read the dragonlance chronicles as an adult who can cast their opinion?

Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on November 07, 2019, 11:30:49 PM
I've never read Dragonlance - should I?

What I have read recently is a book of Georgian folk tales, which was excellent and also bizarre. I really now want to read some Armenian, Azeri, and Russian tales for the comparisons... there are some fascinating tropes I've not come across elsewhere, the usual cast of kadjis and devis (as Mountain Leopards readers will know of) but type characters like the "beardless deceiver", an apparently human trickster figure distinguishable for not having a beard. And some interesting cultural tropes - the desire of people who get good fortune to invite the King to dinner, even though this inevitably goes badly for them, for example. All very interesting stuff :)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on December 08, 2019, 11:04:35 PM
Recently finished Always Coming Home, by Ursula Le Guin, which Glaurung lent me after some discussion on my article about writing places that feel alive (https://exilian.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5944.0). It was every bit as good as I might have hoped, and I found it fascinating and would definitely recommend it to others.

The 'main plot', to the extent that the book has one, is the three parts of the story 'Stone Telling', named after its protagonist, but really this is just one part of a very cleverly built evocation of a place and people and culture to which any specific narrative only serves to build the world, rather than the world serving mainly as backdrop to the plot. It is an exploration of an imagined future people called the Kesh and their ways of thinking and acting, which for Le Guin are a sort of near utopia. The Kesh are presented as something of an embodiment of mindfulness and coexistence, with a highly ritualised society that places heavy emphasis on community and connection, but little on narrative.

The strangest thing about the Kesh, and the thing that made them most alien for me, is their lack of a strong narrative sense of past or future, of what sort of world they wish to live in as separate from the one that they do live in. For Le Guin, this is a utopian element: a society that has evolved beyond the sense and need to record and explain and plan, that is unafraid of its own mortality and unconcerned with eternity, and can get on with living and caring and being, perhaps discovering things that had already been discovered generations before with fresh eyes, but not attempting to build on one discovery with another beyond their existent, modest technological level. Some elements of the Kesh society, their core rituals, seem unchanging, and some stories are passed down between generations, but much poetry and creativity is ephemeral and appreciated as such. Perhaps it it just in self-justification, as a historian and a writer, that this belief in the virtues of ephemerality clashes with my own belief in the eternal possibility of progress and the reimagining and reinterpretation of what has gone before.

The charm of the Kesh, for all that I could not quite imagine myself among them, was nonetheless absolutely there. The intricate structures of Lodges, Houses, and Arts that made up their society, with a central double-spiral motif at the heart of their belief system cropping up in all sorts of places, is the sort of thing that appeals to my brain's love of reimagining systems and how societies could work differently. The egalitarian, non-hierarchical nature of the Kesh was an element that I'm sure I found as pleasantly utopian as the author wanted me to. My own love of both a feeling of connectivity to nature, and its expression through poetry, was also well catered to, as well, and stories short and long alike were very much enjoyed. Much of the Kesh ritual I could imagine with much of the fondness of the rituals I remember from childhood (or perhaps more so, for I have no need to feel conflicted about the organisation of Kesh life in the way that I am about the institutions of state and church that were responsible for most of my own childhood rituals on some level or other).

All in all, would absolutely recommend this as a read - it's certainly a book I'd like to come back to at some point and think more about.
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Post by: Jubal on December 21, 2019, 06:38:37 PM
And just finished yesterday with the other book of the pair that Glaur lent me, Hav by Jan Morris. Hav is in fact two books, published in one volume; nominally the second part, Hav of the Myrmidons, is the sequel to the first, longer section, Last Letters From Hav. I say nominally because they differ a great deal...

Last Letters from Hav is the part I enjoyed more of the two, and is something of a masterpiece of creative setting design. Set in a powerfully believable, but in fact wholly fictional, eastern Mediterranean city-state, the book is written as a series of travelogues. The main character, who is presented as being Jan herself, becomes immersed for a few months in this somewhat mysterious place, with some of its own traditions but largely with a wide mix of languages, culture, and history from across the region. Had I not known both through being told and through having a solid mental map of the Turkish coastlines, I would fairly quickly have realised that Hav was fictitious - there are just a few too many of the Mediterranean's civilisations in one place for plausibility, and the Russian and Chinese elements in Hav's history are a bit stretched for a Mediterranean city - but then, I am a historian of the region, and the history of Hav was nonetheless well written enough to enchant me. If I was being utterly picky, I'd have liked a bit more focus on the Levantine, Caucasian, Balkan and Turkish elements, and to reverse the odd omission of Byzantium, via which the travelogue could have been enriched with fewer stretches... but then again the only people who write books to pitch to historians of the Near East are other historians thereof, and we make, as a rule, little to no money from doing so. I do want to make clear that the depth of detail and scale of the historical construction are breathtaking - the events of Hav's history encompass the full richness of the region's history and so much of what makes it both magical and tragic at once. Not only that, but the book explores effectively the constructed nature of that history and what seems immemorially ancient being filtered through different eyes - the ancient call of Missakian's trumpet, the first sound of a Hav morning, is slowly shifted from a picture of continuity since the twelfth century to an appreciation of how much more recent elements have affected the presumed 'ancient' tradition. This sort of layering around events and traditions is one of the most real feeling and most clever parts of the book, and it's definitely something I think is under-done in literature generally.

As well as the historical elements, there is a distinct Havian culture and a kaleidoscope of personalities and mysteries, many of which end up not quite getting unravelled before the book's ending. The mixture of local and international intellectuals, officials, bar staff, and more who make up the cast are often very believable and human, but also form more than the sum of their parts, combining to a general sense of layered identity, secrecy, and lack of straightforwardness (despite being in many cases surprisingly open to talking) that is given as distinctly Havian. The city’s iconography, with a maze being one of its fundaments, stands as an additional winking testament to this. The tone becomes a touch orientalising in places, with Hav playing the role of Mysterious Eastern Other, but there is sufficient detail and openness to counterbalance this for the most part. The local people known as Kretevs, as no doubt the author intended, are a particularly fun detail, and echo a variety of real peoples across Anatolia and the Caucasus whose culture and in many cases even language are isolated remnants that have survived, just about, to the present day.

Hav of the Myrmidons is a different book. It is again a short travelogue, set twenty years after the first, but only covering a matter of days. Gone is almost all of Hav's history: on the return trip, the city has changed beyond recognition, and the protagonist begins to try and unscramble what has happened, but leaving the reader with few certainties even on points that would have been entirely common knowledge (in particular, it is never stated who the Intervention was conducted by and to what planned end). It shifts also to a more purely fictional tone, with the city much, much more obviously fictitious and a curious mystery from late in the first book blown up into an almost cartoonish menace for the second. It is a darker book, too, with Hav noticeably having changed for the worse for the most part. The writing is still effective, but the plot is abrupt, the character confused, and pointed lack of resolution is an important theme of the piece. Curiously, Last Letters from Hav, the much older book of the two in reality, feels timeless and still readable - Hav of the Myrmidons feels dated, despite being from the mid 2000s. This is, mainly, because of the different sets of concerns expressed: Last Letters is a book about unravelling history and a living, breathing society that lives with the past at its back, whilst Hav of the Myrmidons is about many of the specific concerns and worries that gripped liberal westerners in the mid 2000s. Terrorism, a squeaky-clean state corporatism that knows where to hide its bodies, religious fundamentalism, intrigue, the mix of a western-friendly exterior and shining glass masking a choking of dissent - it all feels very much the world of Blair and Bush and the anxieties involved in that, not just in the setting but the way the setting is viewed. The conundrums of unravelling the past have not changed all that much in their fundaments since 1985, but the fears of the present have undeniably done so.
   
Overall, I think Hav is a beautiful book and I’d massively recommend it. It manages to be cleverly observational and build up a sense of place beautifully, with fantastic and assured grasp of reference and history which is stunning in breadth.

Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Glaurung on December 22, 2019, 09:43:57 PM
I'm glad you liked Hav, and Always Coming Home too. There's another one I've just thought of that you might like too: John Crowley's Engine Summer. Slightly unhelpfully, it only seems to come as part of a collection named Three Novels or Otherwise, so it's in a bigger book than necessary, but the other two novels are also worth reading. There's a lot of evocation of place, or perhaps of several different places, in another post-apocalyptic America, rather different from Le Guin's, but there are also plenty of other things going on: a puzzle, with pieces for the reader to find and assemble, and repeated allusions to the metaphorical theme of Indian summer.
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Post by: Jubal on December 25, 2019, 11:58:14 PM
Ooh, that sounds rather interesting, yes :)

Speaking of America and apocalypses, my most recent read touches on one of the biggest it's had so far - namely, colonialism - in the complex form of James Fenimore Cooper's The Prairie. It's a book with the obvious flaw of being utterly, egregiously racist, but it's a fascinating insight into the anxieties of the 1820s America that produced it, the frontier mythos it built up, and Cooper's difficulty in building a setting where he both horrifically typecast his native Americans and yet also in some ways preferred them to his white characters and mourned the loss of what he saw as "natural" America against what was already seen as the inevitability of the advance of white Americans into remaining native territories. The plot is not always consistent, and the style a little rambling, but Cooper does write genuinely good and complex characters within (and, you get the sense, often straining to break) his rather constraining framework of stereotypes. I will admit that at times the real page-turner for me was finding out what happened to Asinus, the beloved donkey of one of the characters - the moments of gentle humour in the work do also endear some of the characters to me, as much as I often found the fully exhibited power dynamics and racism honestly upsetting. I find Fenimore Cooper's work fascinating, and I do often genuinely enjoy reading it as much as it's horrifying to modern eyes, which is something I don't know how conflicted I should be about.
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Post by: Jubal on January 10, 2020, 11:27:21 PM
Latest completed book is the aforementioned Engine Summer by John Crowley. I liked it, and it certainly had a lot of punch/emotional resonance for me. I think the bits that stuck with me most were the mental bits more than the setting per se - I guess the idea of minds being interfered with or switched on and off is something I find quite difficult (likely a mix of personal anxieties and having had a grandparent with long-term degenerative mental issues), so that hit me quite hard. It's a neatly put together book though - I wouldn't say I found it fun, but it's clever and I appreciated what it was trying to do.
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Post by: Jubal on January 14, 2020, 10:46:53 PM
Over the weekend I read Patrick Weekes' The Prophecy Con, and then yesterday, in a gloriously blazing fireball of procrastination, I managed to get through all 400+ pages of The Paladin Caper, by the same author. They're books two and three in the trilogy, Rogues of the Republic, that started with The Palace Job, and they're very, very good fun in all sorts of silly high-fantasy ways I tend to quite enjoy. Basically the trilogy merges a lot of classic fantasy tropes with a lot of robbery/con trick/spy movie tropes, such that you have a fantasy magically enhanced team saving the world with fantasy-world versions of palace robberies, showdowns at public events, train heists, balls, card tricks, the works. The dialogue is light and witty and funny, the cast diverse and quirky and likeable even if their adventures fall well beyond the believability spectrum at times, and it's basically the sort of book that is at about the perfect level for me to enjoy without either overloading my brain with over-thought worry or getting too dull for me to want to keep going. Will definitely keep an eye out for more by the same guy.
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Post by: Gmd on January 15, 2020, 12:25:35 AM
After watching the witcher tv series. I am Re-reading the witcher books by Andrzej Sapkowski. Currently on the 2nd book. A good fantasy read, especially the novels which have a much more concise narrative.
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Post by: Jubal on February 05, 2020, 09:45:41 PM
Just finished reading the Amirandarejaniani for the first time and I am very disappointed that nobody has made a terrible B-Movie of this medieval epic. The continuity is limited, but honestly there's only so far you can go wrong with metal dragons, towns being harassed by giant angry unicorns, exploding bird-men, disapparating bards, and all the other things in the text. :)

The overarching framing device is that Abesalom, King of India, is chasing a mysterious multicoloured antelope, as one does, and eventually comes to a mysterious monument amid a field of bones. Inside are pictures of a lady and several retainers and dchabukis (the word is hard to translate: it has a general sense of a knight, except without the specificity of social status we'd associate with that term), highest among them Amiran Darejanisdze. The King has no idea who these men were, and gets increasingly angsty about it, eventually sending out men to find out anything they can. Eventually, they find Sarvasmisdze, one of the lesser retainers who was portrayed in the monument: he is now an old man, but after some persuading he eventually goes to see the King of India and recounts the deeds of Amiran Darejanisdze.

The different stories are somewhat standalone, clearly have a number of later interpolations, and have some attempts at continuity and callbacks but still end up marrying Amiran three times with no mention of the previous marriages, and also explaining the monument in the prologue twice. There's also the usual medieval text thing of fighting grossly inflated numbers of people all the time to the point where it just feels silly, not giving the women good speaking lines for the most part, and a general lack of character development or indeed characterisation.

The book has 12 chapters of varying length - the prologue chapter is 9 pages, while the longest is around fifty. Whilst Sarvasmidze in the prologue chapter says that the tales of his master consist of twelve parts, he counts the prologue in which he is speaking as one of them, whether through sloppiness or self-awareness. Most chapters actually don't focus on Amiran's own deeds - in many cases there are other people telling Amiran stories as secondary frame narratives, so we get the deeds of a number of other great dchabukis as well, often with Amiran going off to briefly complete some deed at the end of the chapter that closes out the story or allows for a comparison between Amiran and the main hero discussed (in the story of Chs 2-5 this is him rescuing the other heroes, in 6-7 this is him finding the other hero is dead, in 10 he goes and has a trial of strength with the other hero and eventually befriends him, and in 11 he must avenge the other hero's death). Only in Ch 5, 8, 9, and 12 does Amiran appear as the primary protagonist throughout. This makes the lack of continuity more of a pity - there are occasional callbacks, but other than Sepedavle from Ch 10 assisting Amiran's mission of vengeance in Ch. 11 the characters and locations all remain fairly separated.

All that said, the rest of the text is very, very good fun. The first story (Chs 2-5) is very folkloric and includes battles with Cyclopes, Snake-summoners, Devis (who are here, unlike in Knight in Panther Skin, conflated with Kadjis), a daring rescue accomplished by being dropped into a castle by a giant bird. 6-7 is the only "full realism" (bar the body counts) story and mostly includes a lot of fight scenes and military confrontations. 8, the Story of the Stars, has Amiran sent off by a mysterious man on an elephant to work his way through a bizarre tournament with the princes of several other countries and win brides for his master's daughters, 9, the Story of the Talismans, is full of sorcerous enemies and dragons, 10 has some nice Odyssey callbacks, 11 is a pretty good story of tragedy and revenge and the final chapter is just another general run of combat encounters.

Basically 10/10, story had excellent and ample quantities of dragons and armadillo.
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Post by: Jubal on February 14, 2020, 06:08:53 PM
I read Beasts, by John Crowley: it's part of the same volume that contains Engine Summer, which I read last month. It's a sci-fi piece that involves various human/animal splices, though it's also playing on myth and folklore tropes around those creatures. I thought it was interesting - odd in places, especially the second chapter which has some clunky and rather weird "romantic" writing in it, and some threads were just left and never picked up on again - but there were some good characters and the ending reveal made me smile. The very opening of the book is also about an endangered species reintroduction project with budget issues, which I of course clicked with pretty much instantly :)
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Post by: Jubal on February 23, 2020, 10:44:29 PM
And finished the trio of major Georgian literary works of the C12 with Visramiani, which is a translation of a Persian piece (though with notable Georgian interpolations - some of the religious oaths are noticeably Christianised, and "river" seems to be consistently translated to "Mtkvari", that is, specifically the Kura river that flows through Tbilisi). It's a romance, whereas Amiran-Darejaniani was adventure fiction and the Knight in Panther skin combines those to be a romantic epic. That's not to say there's no drama in Visramiani, far from it - there are some pretty interesting turns of phrase (which I hope Wardrop's translation is doing justice to) in the battle scene early in the book, there's a far amount of intrigue, and several major characters do die near the end. But fundamentally those twists and turns are pretty rapidly written as structure into which is poured the bulk of the text, which is mostly about exploring the characters' emotions for one another. None of them come out of it smelling of roses, and most of the relationships sound fairly toxic, put under continual pressure by the constraints of the society around them but also exacerbated by the characters' repeated failures to get a sense of perspective. They are larger than life, with passions that make them (literally) faint in anguish. One major section of the book is one character's letters to another when the two split apart - there are ten of them, covering thirty pages in the translation, all exploring different shades of over the top reaction to feeling jilted.

Overall it's my least favourite of the three major extant Georgian C12 fictional narratives. I found Vis and Ramin exhausting to read about by the end, and the prose, whilst beautiful at the start, got to sound repetitive by the end: I needed to care about the characters more, and have far more information on their lives, to put up with that amount of anguished emotional verbiage. There are nonetheless good moments, and Shahinshah Moabad is actually a really good antagonist for the book, certainly a much more complex and human enemy than Rustaveli's Kadjis or Khoneli's various opponents of Amiran. Overall though I found it was getting a touch slow by the end.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on July 20, 2020, 04:59:41 PM
I've read precisely two books in the four months or so since my last post; a combined total of 800 or 900 pages is Not Much to have got through in that time, but both books were pretty heavy going: Romila Thapar's history of India up to 1300, and Geraldine Heng's The Invention of Race in the European Middle Ages. Neither of them are exactly lightweight, though both of them are very good.

I think Heng is rapidly becoming a "whether you agree with this fully or not, it's required reading" when it comes to discussions of medieval European thought on race, and essentially her core thesis is around the extent to which religion became increasingly attached to characteristics that we think of as racial by the later Middle Ages, with an increasing though not universal construction of epidermal whiteness signalling Christianity (to the point where some late medieval romances have people's skin literally change colour upon conversion).

Thapar's book is really good but probably I struggled a little with my total unfamiliarity with the area - the presumed knowledge, not unreasonably, was more "the person who is reading this book is likely to know some later Indian history and culture but not the early period" rather than my case of "this person will have a decent knowledge of the contours of Eurasian history in the ancient and medieval periods but have a rather weak knowledge of Indian culture and later history". It's very broad and nicely works in social as well as political history - the social history is slower going for me as I find it harder to make myself care about temple architecture changes when I don't have a temple in front of me to look at, but I'm glad it was in there.

Both of them are books I expect to go back to at some point - one read isn't enough for the depth of either.

Not sure what will come next. Something lighter and with an actual narrative for certain. I've got three big epics to go through - the Tale of Genji from Japan, Water Margin from China, and the Shahnahmeh from Persia. Water Margin is in separate volumes which might feel more tackle-able.
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Post by: Jubal on September 06, 2020, 06:19:34 PM
A books update again!



I spent most of August reading The Outlaws of the Marsh/Water Margin, which was an experience to say the least - over 2000 pages across four volumes, detailing the bringing together and eventually splintering apart of a band of outlaws. This being classic Chinese literature, there are 108 outlaw chieftains, and you don't get a run through of them until 2/3 of the way through the piece: it does get fairly impossible to keep track of all of them, but that by and large doesn't matter. Most of the story is very pulp-fantasy in style, consisting of an intricate interwoven web of combats, thefts, intrigues, imprisonments, and suchlike as a variety of corrupt officials force the protagonists, in various ways, to abandon their previous lives, until a showdown with the government ensues and thereafter the employment of the outlaws as military shock forces starts to whittle the band's numbers down again. The primary themes of the book are about resistance to corrupt authority, though largely in a backward-looking way: the lead protagonists generally want to restore good advisers and governance to the Emperor, with one or two exceptions.

The characters are a full suite of fantasy archetypes, and come from all walks of life, a sharp contrast to western texts where the heroes are typically all of noble birth. They also all have fantastic epithets/nicknames as part of the "gallant fraternity", by which they often identify one another. Song Jiang, The Timely Rain, the most important character in the book, is a county clerk: he is not an especially notable warrior, or strategist, but nonetheless becomes the at times unwilling figurehead of the outlaws, and his generosity of spirit (to his fellow gallants and very much not to others, see below) keeps the group together. The 108 include among others Gongsun Sheng "Dragon in the Clouds", a Taoist monk who can control the weather; Flea on a Drum, the group's thief; Dai Zong the Marvellous Traveller, who has a special way of wrapping written prayers around his legs to let him walk at many times the speed of other men; Li Kui the Black Whirlwind, who is a full-on D&D style barbarian who often massacres enemies and bystanders alike in fits of rage and is the buffoon who often ruins plans; and Sagacious Lu, a former army official who became a Buddhist monk to escape the police then got thrown out of the monastery for being drunk and disorderly. Monsters are rare, except the occasional big tiger, but magicians of various sorts certainly appear.

The moral viewpoints in the story are very alien to me as a reader, which takes the edge off some of the reading enjoyment for it. Violence against women is common, graphic in nature, and feels gratuitous at times: one of the most common reasons for outlaw leaders to end up on the mountain is having murdered a spouse or concubine who betrayed, cheated on or blackmailed them in some way, and these killings are often shown very much as on-the-page events and seemingly approved of. This includes the main lead character, Song Jiang, which can make him an awkward protagonist. The view overall of women is quite negative, though complex: women as warriors (like the wonderfully nicknamed Ten Feet of Steel) or powerful political players are an assumed part of the writer's setting, so women in some ways get a bit more agency than in contemporary European writing, though also a more negative overall presentation.

The rest of the moral universe similarly strikes odd notes: suicide is common, seemingly often used to get people out of the way of the plot, and not in most cases a source of obvious character change or development for those left behind. Meanwhile some of the outlaws do outright standardly villainous acts: a couple of tavernkeepers who routinely cook guests and serve them a la Sweeney Todd are among the protagonists. Perhaps a way to square this circle lies in the mystical overview in the text, in which there are a number of supernatural events that mark Song Jiang and his band out as heavenly, but perhaps in the sense of a vengeful rather than benevolent heaven: they are scourges of villainy, their own evils balanced against the rapacious bureaucrats and officials they oppose.




Meanwhile, in the last few days, I read Jeannette Ng's Under the Pendulum Sun, which is... creepy as hell and with more messed up family vibes than a game of Crusader Kings gone wrong, but also very very good if you like gothic fantasy-horror. It's a step more into gothic victoriana than, say, Lud-in-the-mist, but it has a strong sense of the fae and faerie which manages to reimbue it with some of the upside-down madness and mystique that it sometimes lacks in more conventional fantasy. I don't think it's going to shoot into my favourite books list but that's mostly because its sort of claustrophobic creepsome vibe gets to me a bit too strongly: I certainly will read another one as and when it appears, nonetheless, which I think is a good mark to hit for a book that's outside my comfort-reading zone. I don't think I can write much much more without spoling bits of plot as it's very intricately woven and reliant on its sense of mysteries, but I'd recommend it all the same.
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Post by: Jubal on November 11, 2021, 10:35:50 PM
Well, it's been a long year-and-a-bit since I last posted here, and I've read horribly little in that time - but I'm finally creeping back into things a bit. I recently finished A Time of Marvels, a book of central European folk tales which was quite fun, and then this week I've read through S.A. Chakraborty's Daevabad trilogy, which I enjoyed a lot and can really very much recommend: good solid fantasy with a lot of djinn (who, indeed, the book is mostly about) and a much more Middle-eastern centred mythos than most fantasy literature tends to have.
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Post by: Pentagathus on November 13, 2021, 06:55:55 PM
I've been reading (well listening to audiobooks but shush) Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow and Thorn trilogy on and off for the last few weeks now. Very enjoyable despite having a lot of the traditional fantasy tropes, it has a lot of creepy scenes that feel they could come from a horror style story but it manages to avoid being grimdark. Characters are good too, seems like everyone has some kind of development. Perhaps a little slow to start with but I didn't mind.
It was interesting to see just how much inspiration George Martin took from this series, especially considering that (IIRC) he started writing GoT around the time this series was newly released. At some points it feels like it goes from inspiration to outright plagiarism but I suppose that's quite hard to avoid with fantasy.
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Post by: Jubal on November 14, 2021, 11:00:32 AM
Ooh, I read Memory, Sorrow and Thorn a while ago and remember really liking them, though what I remember now is quite hazy on a "That's the one that had kinda inuit-ish dwarfy people and elves with a really complex and fun sounding boardgame that never got explained properly and a bunch of magic swords, right" level. But I'd like to re-read them sometime.
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Post by: Pentagathus on November 14, 2021, 01:46:18 PM
Yes that sounds about right. Though the trolls made me think more of fantasy ram-riding Himalayan people than Inuits. Pretty certain the Wranermen of the southern swamps were inspired by native americans.
The audiobooks also have a very good narrator.
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Post by: Jubal on January 11, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
I've read two books so far this year, both rather short.

One, a children's book kindly given to me by our own Eadgifu, specifically My Friend Mr. Leakey by J.B.S. Haldane. This prompted by a conversation (which may even have been at Exilian pub sometime) when she mentioned the book and it being by Haldane and me going "wait as in J.B.S. Haldane, one of the most prominent geneticists of the early C20th?" To which the answer was yes. It's a strange and whimsical book, it has some moments of startling colonial-era yikes-ness (not to mention various points where the author is so obviously assuming the reader is a public schoolboy it's painful), but it does have some fun characters. It's very surreal in a lot of places, including a magician's tea-party where all the characters turn into random objects, and also I did learn some things from it: Haldane was incredibly broadly intellectual and well read and there's a lot of references in it which are fun to puzzle out.

Speaking of puzzles, today I finished reading The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club by Dorothy L. Sayers. I can recommend it in general, it's a good mystery without being too dark-hearted, the gentleman detective and lead character manages to not be offputting despite himself, and the twists and turns of the plot are very good indeed. Some of the character portrayals are interesting, particularly the extent to which shell-shock is actually quite an important feature of the thing: one rarely thinks these days how extremely common it must have been across all social groups in the 1920s or so. I can't help slightly morbidly wondering if Long Covid could end up being a similar semi-common peculiarity of portrayals of life in the 2020s and 2030s in years to come...
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Post by: medievalfantasyqueen on March 01, 2022, 08:14:17 AM
Yay! I found this post! I got a couple of great reads this year that I'd recommend but given the state of affairs all over the planet, I think we would all do good with some lovely cozy fantasy. My copy of Travis Baldree's Legends and Lattes just arrived today and I have yet to read it but from the blurb and the prologue I've looked at so far, it feels like a nice cup of coffee and cookies in the breezy summer with the smell of fresh pastries in the air and birds singing in trees... You know, that sort of comfort that we all deserve?

The premise is this: set in a D&D-esque world, an orc barbarian retires from a life of adventure and battles to open a coffeeshop, and meets love and friends along the way. :)
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Post by: dubsartur on March 01, 2022, 05:18:09 PM
The premise is this: set in a D&D-esque world, an orc barbarian retires from a life of adventure and battles to open a coffeeshop, and meets love and friends along the way. :)
That sounds charming!
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Post by: Spritelady on March 15, 2022, 02:00:56 PM
I've read several books recently(ish) that all had markedly different systems for magic, a topic I find generally interesting since I like getting into the detail of how magic works when worldbuilding for DnD settings and the like.

I read 'A Darker Shade of Magic', which I received for Christmas in fact, and is an intruiging book about a man named Kell, one of the last people able to use magic to travel between different versions of London that exist on different planes. Each is a copy of the same city but found in a completely different world, and each is named after the colours primarily associated with the world, which each have different levels of magic available to its citizens. The magic in this book is very elementally focused, with magicians able to manipulate the classic elements, and rare magicians, Antari, able to use blood magic.

I am also currently very close to finishing the first of the Mistborn books, The Final Empire. This magic system is based on magic users 'burning' metals that they ingest to achieve different effects. Most magic users are only able to burn one particular metal to achieve one particular effect but the Mistborn are able to burn all 8 'basic' metals as well as two others (that the book has only briefly gone into detail on). The metals are grouped into pairs, one which 'pushes' an ability and one which 'pulls' - for example, burning iron allows you to 'pull' metal towards you (literally through the air towards you, or you towards it if you pull something that doesn't want to move) and burning steel allows you to 'push' metal away from you (or you can push off it) and a mistborn can fly through the air by pushing and pulling sources of metal around them to fling themselves about the place, which is quite fun. Not all the abilities are external, for example burning bronze allows you to Soothe - calm and influence the emotions of those around you. The plot itself is also quite fun and has some great characters, including a main character also frequently called Kell, in a strange coincidence with the first book I mentioned.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on March 15, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
I don't have a lot of energy to be chatty, but this book review tag (https://www.bookandsword.com/tag/book-review/) and a friend's partner's Let's Read TSR (https://letsreadtsr.com/) both have reviews of things as their authors read them!  Maybe I will post in this thread later.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on March 16, 2022, 10:14:04 AM
I thought I'd already posted this but apparently not.
I watched the Wheel of Time series a couple of months ago, not particularly good but it at least made me look into WOT which lead me to giving the books a try. Was hesitant because of the length of the series, but so far I'm 4 books in and loving it. Quite interesting to see the differences between the show and the books too, don't think I'll bother watching the second season unless reviews for it are top tier.
The world seems to be really original as far as I can tell, there's obviously some Tolkien influence in the story and characters (particularly the first book) but the mythology and magic is not like anything I've seen before. Will probably read into what the influences were behind this series once I'm finished with it.
The world is a kind of post-post apocalypse setting, people have stories and legends of a golden age followed by a great war against "The Dark One" which resulted in the most powerful male magicians imprisoning the dark one but in doing so they have their source of magic corrupted by him, which means any man who uses magic is doomed to go mad (apart from men who serve the dark one apparently/maybe) and kill a ton of people. This leads to a kind of apocalypse as all the male magicians start going nuts and messing things up in a very high fantasy fashion, with female magicians still able to use magic and eventually getting the men under control. Lots of knowledge is lost, men who can channel are rounded up and cut off from their ability to use magic but they become super depressed and usually kill themselves when this happens because magic is kind of like a euphoric drug in this system.
A couple thousand years go by (iirc) and our bunch of heroes are born, the story starts of with a pretty traditional farm boy with mysterious origins story, the protagonists are all from the same village in a shire-esque isolated rural area which no one bothers over and never has any war. Starts of quite slow but I love that slow build. Then things happen. Go read.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on March 16, 2022, 02:48:41 PM
Ooh I've heard good things about the Wheel of Time books, although I'm disappointed to hear that the tv series wasn't particularly engaging.

I think I actually have the first book somewhere, as I received a lot of books over Christmas and am slowly working my way through them. If not, I may have another entry on my enormous 'to buy' list of books!

I finished the Final Empire yesterday and have now begun (and got quite far into) the first Thomas Covenant book, Lord Foul's Bane. This is a really interesting book that features a very unwilling (and indeed rather unworthy, at least based on first impressions) 'hero' who is taken from our world, where he is a bitter, angry leper who has been outcast from society because of his disease, and is thrust into a fantasy world that he believes to be some sort of extended hallucination designed to drive him mad. This is mostly because he appears to no longer be a leper, but he can't accept that reality, because if he hopes its true and it turns out not to be, he knows it will crush him. It's got a very interesting and well thought out world (at least so far), with what I think are quite original concepts (I say original...this was published in 1977 I believe).

It does however have some quite disturbing content, although it's not presented in a hugely graphic way so I would caution a potential reader to establish what trigger warnings may be needed for the content (happy to give some myself if people are curious but would like some precognition of the slightly darker subjects that come up).
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on March 17, 2022, 06:41:45 PM
The series wasn't too bad, just not great. TBF they were hit by the pandemic about halfway through filming, and one of their main cast dropped out which can't have been easy to deal with, but there were also changes from the book story and the magic system that didn't make much sense and don't seem to improve the story.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on April 05, 2022, 08:38:08 PM
Has anyone read the Mistborn series? I'm currently reading the third in the series and it's sparked a lot of interesting thoughts for me from the perspective of someone worldbuilding for writing projects and for GMing RPGs
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on April 05, 2022, 10:51:59 PM
No, I've never really tried any Brandon Sanderson, which is probably a bad admission given how much fantasy stuff I do/write about. What's the pitch of them?
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on April 17, 2022, 11:46:55 AM
Sorry - been a while since I checked in here!

The first book in the series is about a plot to overthrow the Lord Ruler, who rules over the world and is thought to be a living god. A group of people with special skills come together to dethrone him, in order to try and improve things for the skaa - the peasantfolk who are thought of as little more than unintelligent slaves by the nobility who own them and use them for labour.

That's a very very basic summary but I can't get into too much detail without giving away some of the more interesting plot elements. The magic system is incredibly interesting though, it's all based around allomancy, where you consume and then internally burn metals to produce different effects.

On a related note, I discovered Sanderson's Rules of Magic, which are his guidelines to creating and writing about magic systems in fantasy worlds. They're really interesting and well thought out in my opinion!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on October 09, 2022, 01:15:56 PM
I bought a big boxed set of Sapowski's Witcher novels - all 5 of the main set, both short story books, and a standalone novel, for 8 in total. I've read through the short story collections (The Last Wish and Sword of Destiny) while ill the past few days, and mostly really enjoyed them.

There are a few things I dislike, particularly Sapowski's writing about women: he uses sexual violence too cheaply in my view as a "hey the world is horrible" establishing frame that handles it rather clumsily. His writing is also very man-stare-at-tits a lot of the time: it's not that he can't write good women characters, he does so a fair number of times, but he doesn't bring their viewpoint in very regularly and intelligently and his women tend to be either sexually interesting or interesting from a stepped back, elder/power perspective, and having more 'neutral' relationships between his protagonists and women would be nice (Yen is kind of both a power figure and a sex figure, Ciri is at this point a literal child so is somewhat the exception in this issue). Also, Yen's general philosophy in the books is, uhm, a bit left-field to put it incredibly politely - even though I get that a lot of that is meant to be the extension of her personal traumas over infertility, the fact that she sometimes expands it to a whole political-philosophy ramble does sometimes shuffle her into sounding a bit of a wingnut.

All that said, generally I've enjoyed them more than I was expecting to, and I like Geralt perhaps more than I was expecting to. I think I expected a bit more action-sequence stuff, which actually there isn't a ton of in Sapowski's short stories in favour of using that to set off a lot of musings about life and stories and storytelling - and of course destiny. I think that's generally done pretty well, and I like the way Sapowski messes around with stories and actively discusses the embellishment and mythologisation of events into tales we're more familiar with. I think this is something which could make the Witcher one of the candidates among fantasy for very long-term cultural adoption, because by design he fits into familiar folk-tale patterns and ideas, and he's such a versatile situational character that one can imagine him being repurposed and rewritten well by future hands in a way that might not be as true for a Conan or a Kvothe or a Ged. Sapowski's Geralt is an interesting, thoughtful, slightly wistful character and written as emotionally actually interesting, which is nice.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on October 11, 2022, 09:15:22 PM
There are a few things I dislike, particularly Sapowski's writing about women: he uses sexual violence too cheaply in my view as a "hey the world is horrible" establishing frame that handles it rather clumsily.
Get used to it, the main plotline behind the series does a lot of this as it
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I remember really enjoying the first book of short stories, finding the second one a little so-so and enjoying the series enough to reading all of the books but absolutely detesting the whole thing by the time I'd finished. There's definitely too much grimdark "people are the real monsters and everything sucks" energy to it for my taste to start with, and then it really really really drives that home
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, it feels like an "anti-fantasy" with the anti turned up to 11. 
Oh and for some reason he decided to write the final book with a weird framing device that hasn't been used at all before and shoehorn in Arthurian imagery and themes into a story in which they really don't fit imo, which I found very jarring and hard to read. I wish I'd just given up at that point.


I know it's a very popular series but I absolutely do not recommend it, especially if you're not in the mood for depressing grimdark bollocks atm. But people are allowed to like things even I despise them and wish they didn't exist I suppose.


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Also the final book introduces new characters that you're meant to care about but personally I never felt any emotional investment in them, or any connection to them and the way they influenced the narrative just felt very contrived and boring to me. One was obviously just included to be a new big bad antagonist but I didn't care, the other was introduced to be a sympathetic character we would like and
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but I found her annoying and really really didn't care.



Edit Edit:
In more positive news I finished reading Wheel of Time a while ago, I absolutely friggen loved it and even though I didn't particularly enjoy Sanderson's writing style I think he did a fantastic job of finishing the story after Jordan died. I loved that even though there was a lot of very, very dark stuff within these books it wasn't dark in tone and didn't focus on the horrahh, and it had so much light and hope to balance it out and had such a beautiful cathartic ending. I genuinely want to re-read it again already. But I'll have patience.


Currently working my way through Hillary Mantel's Wolf Hall series in audiobook form, quite enjoyable but also somewhat strange as a narrative, not sure if it's because it doesn't lend itself well to audiobooking or simply because that's how it is, but it's quite hard to get really invested into it. But I am still enjoying it overall and it's actually quite pleasant to have something I can listen to without being superglued to and spending hours hyperfocusing on it and having to turn back the recording if I lose track for a moment because I need to listen to that exact phrase five more times to make sure I'm hearing it properly and processing it.


Edit edit edit:
Remind me to write a proper appraisal of Wheel of Time at some point, I genuinely loved it so so so much and there's so much going on and so many things that feel unique to it and it's definitely one of my favourite series every now, it's probably second only to LoTR and it really is lovely.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on October 12, 2022, 01:02:15 AM
I don't read a lot of fiction since undergrad (maybe three new novels a year and a dozen rereads) but I recently finished the third Heris Serrano novel,  Winning Colours.  Feminist military science fiction for the win! (https://www.bookandsword.com/2021/05/01/some-thoughts-on-elizabeth-moons-hunting-party/) (link points to a review of volume 1)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on October 12, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
Ah, that's a pity re the Witcher series :/ I'll probably keep plodding through them at some point... I have to say, with the Arthuriana I wonder how much of the issue is the Arthuriana not fitting and how much is the grimdark not fitting. Like, formre (having played the games and read a couple of books) Witcher stories that mess around with folklore and myth and use Geralt as a sort of grounding-figure for those tales are often the best ones. Like, Blood & Wine is the best bit of TW3 in the games I think and that's absolutely up to its neck in Arthuriana and plays it very enjoyably. I think there's a necessary down to earth ness that's needed for Witcher stories to work, but that stops working when you make humans far worse than they really are just as much as it would stop working in a world where everyone was standardly good and altruistic. Take the Witcher into unrealistically dark humanity territory and you lose a lot of the points about humanity's relationship with myth, time, destiny, etc that Sapowski makes rather well on his good days, because you're not really writing about humans any more.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on October 12, 2022, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not sure if it's so much that Arthurian themes don't fit into the story, I didn't express myself well there. It was rather that there wasn't much Arthurian imagery or plot before that final book (as far as I picked up), and then the story suddenly started drawing on it very heavily. It felt jarring for me, it wasn't just that there were new characters and locations that drew on Arthurian myth but the new framing device seemed to be just an attempt to bring in the Arthurian elements in a way that felt very incoherent.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on October 13, 2022, 11:36:37 PM
Mm, that's fair enough - I'll let you know if/when I get there. Another friend (Luke/Tuco on here, he comes to Exilian pub oftenish but isn't often round the forum) was saying similar things about despising the ending of the Sapowski books, though I guess given I played the games first I kind of think of them as the ending to the story pre-emptively because they're so very much framed as a sequel to the books. I've also got R.F. Kuang's BABEL to read, which I'm hoping will be good and which at least one friend has been excited to me about so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on October 22, 2022, 02:27:02 PM
I've read a few of the Witcher books now and quite enjoyed them - I also particularly liked the fairytale references scattered throughout! And several elements of the plot made significantly more sense after reading the book than I felt they did in the first season of the Witcher TV series (most notably the bit about the wizard being in the marketplace tomorrow; I distinctly remember watching the series and thinking "if he knows they're going to be there, why not just skip the market for the day??").

I've almost finished the first Wheel of Time book, which I've been enjoying immensely and I'm excited to read the series (though given how long they are and how busy I am, that could well take some months!) - I hear the TV adaptation of this was underwhelming, as is unfortunately so often the case with adaptations of books.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on October 22, 2022, 05:52:58 PM
To be fair to the WOT show it was being filmed as the covid pandemic hit, which really messed up the latter parts. Plus one of the main actors had to leave during this time too. But there were still choices made before this point that were definitely not great, I watched it before starting the books and it was mostly enjoyable up until the last couple of episodes. For some reason it seems like they decided to absolutely butcher the magic system though, personally I don't particularly care about extensive magic systems that much, but for people who do WOT's is a big plus for the series. The male/female split in channelling is actually important for some of the major themes of the series too, so it's quite disappointing that they seem to have dropped that aspect completely (male channelers still go mad, but I don't think Saidin and Saidan are ever mentioned at all). 
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on December 31, 2022, 12:33:46 AM
I finished another book finally. I’m still not sure that brings my year total into double digits, which is frankly embarrassing. Need to do better next year. Anyway, I’ve now read Blood of Elves, the third Witcher book. It was fine as fantasy books go, except the whole thing about obsessing about virginity which is a bit weird and also some of the Ciri-Yen scenes which rang a teensy bit hollow to me? But I mostly enjoyed it, I'll probably read some more of the books in 2023.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on January 17, 2023, 01:32:51 AM
I finished another book finally. I’m still not sure that brings my year total into double digits, which is frankly embarrassing. Need to do better next year. Anyway, I’ve now read Blood of Elves, the third Witcher book. It was fine as fantasy books go, except the whole thing about obsessing about virginity which is a bit weird and also some of the Ciri-Yen scenes which rang a teensy bit hollow to me? But I mostly enjoyed it, I'll probably read some more of the books in 2023.
I'm afraid to ask who is obsessed with whose virginity given the tradition of SF and fantasy authors working the private-times kind of fantasy into their fiction.

Speculative and historical fiction which is focused on characters' neuroses and interpersonal conflicts faces the double empathy problem of understanding what issues (hangups? mistaken beliefs that bring sorrow or cause unwise actions?) characters in a different culture had, and communicating those issues and emotions to the reader.  The Lion in Winter and many more recent Hollywood films and games have Boomer daddy issues which don't necessarily fit their settings.

Here is the kind of book I read in 2022 (https://www.bookandsword.com/2023/01/07/books-read-in-2022/).  My ability to read books end to end or for pleasure was much less while I was a PhD student.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on January 17, 2023, 10:51:06 AM
The answer unfortunately is everyone and Ciri respectively. I think if one wanted to be really really generous, one could just say that virginity is seen as a particularly crucial aspect or life stage in the setting: but I don't think one should be that generous, it's an active choice on Sapkowski's part and it's a really weird active choice.

I think you got through more books than I did in '22 certainly, an interesting list. Perhaps I should keep a list, but perhaps this would just be somewhat depressing for me. I have the same issue re reading like a scholar rather than a reader, and am still very much a PhD student as much as I feel bad about this and ought to have finished by now.

I see you had On Stranger Tides on your list - presumably this book was the basis for the Pirates of the Carribean film of the same name?
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on January 17, 2023, 07:22:57 PM
The answer unfortunately is everyone and Ciri respectively. I think if one wanted to be really really generous, one could just say that virginity is seen as a particularly crucial aspect or life stage in the setting: but I don't think one should be that generous, it's an active choice on Sapkowski's part and it's a really weird active choice.

I think you got through more books than I did in '22 certainly, an interesting list. Perhaps I should keep a list, but perhaps this would just be somewhat depressing for me. I have the same issue re reading like a scholar rather than a reader, and am still very much a PhD student as much as I feel bad about this and ought to have finished by now.
Its also a difference in types of books: there are books which are meant to be "one and done" reads (and which compete with TV and computer games for entertainment times) and books meant to be referenced again and again or meant to be read slowly with concentration.

I see you had On Stranger Tides on your list - presumably this book was the basis for the Pirates of the Carribean film of the same name?
I think it was (there was also a Disneyland or Disneyworld ride, but they needed a plot and characters and Tim Powers delivered).  L. Sprague de Camp stories where most characters have strengths and weaknesses are closer to my model of the world than "a young adult from a good family quickly becomes better at anything he turns his hand to than people who have done it as a job for 10 or 20 years."  (And yes, malnutrition and childhood diseases were a factor before the 20th century, but aristocrats worked hard to become 'effortlessly good' at things, and they had staffs of specialists to make them look good).

In terms of messages for young readers, "to get good you need to do lots of hard repetitive practice and criticize yourself" is much more helpful than "if you are the chosen one you can get good at anything quickly."
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on March 13, 2023, 10:01:48 PM
I just finished reading my first novel of 2023, which is a lot slower than I'd hoped my reading would be this year - but it was a worthwhile one and a half, in the form of R.F. Kuang's Babel.

It's a heavy book but powerfully worth reading. It has some similarity in gut feel to Jemisin's Broken Earth trilogy in its theming of using fantasy to explore a world and a cathartic revolutionary tragedy narrative where the protagonists are essentially set against, rather than for, the preservation of the social order - but it delivers that theme in a much more familiar, much more human way, throwing us into the heart of the British Empire and the University of Oxford recreated in careful historicised detail. It somehow manages to be an intrigue novel, a Shakespearian tragedy, a university tale, a murder story, and a grand magic plot, all overlapping and developing as the story takes different turns. It takes a good writer to deliver any one of these things coherently: the fact that Kuang delivers all of them as a coherent story is a remarkable achievement.

Despite this I was left with mixed, complicated feelings after reading the book - but I think that was perhaps the intention. My only fear is that it's a book where people will ask which of the protagonists was more "right", which I think misses the point. Kuang is interested not just in the corruption and the uncomplicated villains of Empire, though these she certainly has, but in the contradictions and forces acting in different ways upon its victims, and indeed at times exploring how some characters can have a measure of both, and how entirely on-the-right-side actors might not favour or realise the same courses of action, how rebellion and revolution can be at once morally right and necessary and yet self-consuming in the logics of violence that bring them into being. It does not, I think, really offer final answers to these problems, only explanation of how and why these things come to pass for its cast of characters: and this approach, the 'Arcane History' of its subtitle, the quiet academic underpinning and footnoted explanations of the finer points of translation, give it a cold weight that encourages a reflective discomfort almost whatever position one chooses to adopt on its central questions.

Very much would recommend, in any case.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on March 14, 2023, 07:21:28 PM
While preparing something else for publication, I discovered there is a whole romance about East Anglia before the Roman Norman conquest called Waldef!  That seems like it might be up your alley? https://doi.org/10.2307/j.ctv1k76hvs

The Deeds of Hereward the Wake is set just outside of modern Norfolk too https://archive.org/details/fenlandnotesquer3189pete/page/n433
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on March 15, 2023, 12:51:39 PM
Ooh, those are both good calls. I've never actually read a proper translation of Hereward, but that's a story I very much grew up with abridged versions of (and probably contributed to my weird fenlandy sense of personal identity). That should definitely be on my list anyhow.

I've got some heavy by weight but probably not by content fantasy novels sitting around, I feel like I'd like something lighter or at least shorter after Babel so that might be next port of call. Other options include some Poirot as I've not read any and a friend lent me an omnibus a while back, and various classic or modern novels I've not started on... we'll see.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on March 29, 2023, 10:52:57 PM
Another book read: Waterland, by Graham Swift. The book is set between 1970s/80s London and the wartime fens of East Anglia, so going on the aforementioned personal fenland theme. It has a sort of feel of influence from magical realism type genres, and does an interesting sort of capture of a certain sort of fenland spirit - though it's also interesting what it doesn't capture, especially about the fens as a biome (Swift being self-consciously not a native to the region). I fellt the reflections on the fens were better than the depictions of the fens, I guess, though both are very well done. It's a difficult book in places - even the narrator makes himself quite unsympathetic at times - but very well written. I think the real heart of the book is as a set of reflections on history and how we see it and its impacts, with the fens sort of acting as much as anything else as a metaphor for a cyclical, phlegmatic, getting-on-with-life view as compared to the drumbeat of Progress that, if it has drained them for now, will never attain a final victory. They're interesting strands of thought, and I appreciated that aspect a lot as a historian myself. Generally a would-recommend, though it's very much about reflection and memory more than about emotional beats and tight plot writing: if that works for you though (and it did for me) it's a good read.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on July 17, 2023, 04:16:19 PM
Bringing this year's fiction book total to, uh, three, is Greek Myths by Charlotte Higgins. It's a retelling of Greek myths, and mostly a very good one. The idea of weaving and images in cloth being a form of story transmission primarily done by women is used quite interestingly as a framing narrative, with each of the chapters focusing on a single character weaving and then containing a set of other stories that they produce with some interconnected themes around their own core plot (Athene weaves the Titanomachy, Arachne the crimes of the gods, Penelope the homecomings from Troy, and so on).

The writing is good and the framing system is compelling, I'd generally very much recommend it. The very ending (Penelope gets the last chapter) I think didn't feel like the strongest moment, it's a clever ending turn but
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In any case I enjoyed this a lot, its inclusion of lots of more minor/less widely known myths was something I thought was really good, and the author has the storyteller's touch which I think one really needs when re-telling mythologies. Generally strong recommendation.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on July 21, 2023, 03:25:41 PM
I have read a fair number of books this year, in my usual way of reading everything I can get my hands on for two weeks and then not reading anything for months at a time....

I am currently about 3/5 of the way through The Shadow Rising in the wheel of time series, which I am still greatly enjoying. I do occasionally have to crosscheck names as it's getting to the stage where there are A Lot of characters to follow, as is common for this way of telling a fantasy story. But overall I find a lot of the themes very interesting.

I would seriously recommend Unraveller to anyone who hasn't read it, it has excellent Fae Vibes and does a fantastic job (in my opinion) of creating a world where the creatures, and to an extent the world itself, manage to feel alien and Fae without making them Just Evil by human standards. It also has a very VERY interesting main concept that involves people having the capacity to Curse others if they hate them enough...
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on August 08, 2023, 04:30:48 PM
Book four! Only halfway to where I planned to be by this point in the year!

But oh well, four was a very good one indeed, in the form of Books and Bone by Veo Corva (vicorva, of this parish). I've been in the same online circles as Veo for some years now and consider them a friend (hopefully mutually!), but until now and despite having sat through many hours of them streaming Roadwarden and Thief and Outer Wilds and Frog Detective and suchlike I'd never actually read any of their books before, so I got the two Tombtown books to date via the kickstarter for book two. Said kickstarter went well, and in case anyone has any doubts about getting self-published books still in this year of 2023, it's a good example of why you shouldn't: the book itself is really good quality, the cover art is lovely, I didn't have any more copy-editing twitches than I would have done in the average publishing-house published book.

Contemplating reading a book written by a friend is an odd experience in that I worry what I'll say about it if I didn't actually end up liking it, but in this case this was very much not a problem I was confronted with because I absolutely loved Books and Bone. It's about my ideal reasonably light read: it's very well written indeed, and has really neatly written characters with quite pacy dialogue. It has enough bits of real threat and meditations on power to keep things interesting whilst also having plenty of very sweet or more homely elements which. Given the pitch it could easily have gone either too saccharine and cutesified the necromancy too much, or have amped up the darker side too much and made their homeliness feel hollow: it manages to strike the balance really well in my view.

If I missed anything, it was one of Ree (the main character)'s maps: the book is probably actually better without them because it allows for a lot more playing with the sense of space, but at the same time part of my brain really wanted to actually unfold a map and be able to follow those trails around the tombs. (Thoughts: tomb maps must be complex because tombs can be three dimensional, also I wonder if I could write yet another hack of my Hetairos game system for exploring catacombs as a bunch of Necromancers.) Also as someone who has genuinely often idly wondered about what I could ask my research subjects if I could bring them back from the dead, this book offers some useful cautionary tales and whilst I don't think I have the personality traits of the second-to-lead character, we share about enough backstory for seeing an awkward half-mirror of oneself on occasion.

I got through the whole thing in an afternoon easily, which was nice, I often worry I've lost the reading speed I used to have when I was younger but it does click back if confronted with the right book, and this was very much the right book. Not sure if I'll run right to book 2 or read something else in between: I'd like to get through one or two more books in the near future if I can make my brain do it, anyhow.



EDIT: Also read The Girl Who Fell Beneath The Sea by Axie Oh. Another solid recommendation, it's very much folkloric-romance, possibly slight YA vibes but only really because of the age of the characters and the romantic core of the plot, both of which are AFAICT pretty central to the original folklore in any case. It's based on Korean folklore and has a lot of stuff with death and spirits and dragons, with the initial plot point being that it's about a girl who takes someone else's place in being sacrificed to the Sea God and then has to unravel a century or so of problems in the spirit realm by going around asking awkward questions and loving everything too much. It definitely made me want to read up on more folk tales from that part of the world. The book has some very firm emotional hits not all of which I was expecting even if retrospectively I should've worked them out. I think it does an exceptionally good job of doing a more modern, full-bodied novel plot without sacrificing the fundamental feel of a folk tale, which is a rare authorial skill and one I appreciated immensely: we can both emotionally connect to the characters and have them exist in the slightly otherworld space of folk stories. I enjoyed it a lot, anyhow.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on August 20, 2023, 04:11:51 PM
I read Time of Contempt, the second book in the main "run" of Witcher novels. It's fine, overall? It continues the usual themes, and has the usual problems. There's occasional moments where Sapkowski writes some really good bits of humanity or character observation, though he then frequently ruins them with his really rather bad writing of women in particular. His use of sexual violence as a very casual "hey look it's a Depressing Settingtm" does kind of grate on me, not that I think that's a topic one can't handle in fantasy novels, I just think he specifically uses it in quite a shallow way.

On more positive sides, I think ToC is a bit interesting in how it lays out the framework for what Witcher-verse politics is like, though what it's like includes an odd mix of things. Some are much more grounded than, say, a Tolkien war (where we'd never have seen so much discussion of precise terms of looting etc), and things that are much more skullduggery focused (Djikstra being one of the key characters, the way the Scoi'atel are used by Nilfgaard). On the other hand, the way that Witcherverse countries can just seemingly roll into a fairly well developed medieval/early modern state with a standing army and turn it into a province of some other realm with surprisingly little effort feels weird. I'm not sure what the best historical equivalent is - possibly the Mongols or something. Another way to put it is that states in Sapkowski's work seem to solely function in a material way, which is especially odd in a book series in which folklore, superstitions, etc are so narratively key. There doesn't seem to be a difference between a town in Kaedwen or one in Temeria or one in Kovir beyond their location and who happens to be ruling them: there's less cultural specificity to the different parts of the world Geralt traipses round than there is in the average Total War game. That's kind of interesting! I think for me it's what gives Witcher politics a very different feel to that of other fantasy writers, the fantasy world is out there but Sapkowski's political world is at least to my eyes wildly more materially focused than our own.



EDIT: Now also read the following book, Baptism of Fire. BoF I enjoyed more than ToC: I think in generaly Sapkowski spent less of it writing the characters he can't write very well, though some of the plot turns are a bit weird regarding women in particular. Also some bits of framing narrative were weird (the storyteller talking apparently post-all-the-stories who turned up nowhere before, and Geralt's rather odd thought framing of the last chapter). That said, we got a lot more fun with Geralt having a crew and travelling with them, even if his sulkiness and people repeatedly giving him more or less the same eminently sensible advice gets a bit belaboured. The characters in Geralt's party tend to contrast well, and the addition of Regis was very worth reading this book for, he's definitely one of the more interesting characters of the set and it was nice to see him turn up in the books after meeting his much later self in the last of the Witcher 3 DLCs. The bits with Ciri felt a bit messy and weak by comparison: Sapkowski very much sees the world through the eyes of some characters and struggles to portray others as fully three dimensional people, and for such a core character as Ciri that feels a bit of an issue, her feelings are governed by the overarching sense of plot rather than seeming like they affect what's going on around her. Conversely Geralt's party get well set up, and the sense that they're in the heart of a set of political machinations they're trying to duck between is very much a Witcherverse thing (as opposed to being inexorably drawn to pick sides, as Martin would have it, or the more conventional fantasy where we wouldn't cheer a neutral party).

That makes it seven books, my original hope for 2023 was to get to a book a month so I'm one book off being back to par with that plan...
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 23, 2023, 01:08:18 PM
I just finished The Dispossessed (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13651.The_Dispossessed) by Ursula Le Guin. I think this might be my favorite of hers. It is hard. They are all so good in different ways. But this is a veritable masterpiece. Her depiction of Anarres is very grounded. We get so many dystopias in contemporary fiction that I think part of me was waiting for the other shoe to drop, for this anarchist utopia to have some fatal flaw. But rather it was just human. Believable. Nuanced. The way she describes it you can grow attached to it, and even almost nostalgic for this place that does not and has never even existed. But just might, one day. That's really something.

I am currently reading Fool's Errand (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/68488.Fool_s_Errand) by Robin Hobb. I once read the Assassin's trilogy,  as well as the Live Ship trilogy, way back when they came out a few decades ago. It's been enjoyable to return to this world and Hobb's style of writing. Given the pressure in the industry is now to have a first sentence that grabs the reader, and a first page that grabs the reader, and a first chapter that grabs the reader, and so on, Hobb's style is refreshing in how measured it is in pace. Just as an example... The first 200 pages of this book is just the main character (15 years after the events of the Assassins's trilogy) living in a hut with an adopted kid, with various people from his past life coming to visit. We have pages upon pages of descriptions of meals, drinking, talking, arguing, gardening, hunting, etc. After 50 pages I thought, surely, we would start to get moving soon. Then 100. At 150 pages I was starting to chuckle. At 200 pages I thought I'd be OK if that was just the whole book, as it was fairly enjoyable. But we finally got moving.

Otherwise, my bedside stack is currently...
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 23, 2023, 01:28:28 PM
I am currently about 3/5 of the way through The Shadow Rising in the wheel of time series, which I am still greatly enjoying. I do occasionally have to crosscheck names as it's getting to the stage where there are A Lot of characters to follow, as is common for this way of telling a fantasy story. But overall I find a lot of the themes very interesting.
Oh neat! Was the new show on Prime what got you into reading it? Or was it always on your list to try?

I've sometimes thought of revisiting the series one day. But I feel there's so much else out there I should be reading as well.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on August 23, 2023, 04:10:40 PM
Oh neat! Was the new show on Prime what got you into reading it? Or was it always on your list to try?

I had always been aware of the series but never actually got around to reading it. I watched the first season of the show and thought it was so appalling, I had to read the book to see if it was yet another example of dreadful book to screen conversion (it is). I actually deeply enjoy the books and the themes and ideas that they explore.

I have had a spate of reading lately, and have managed to get further in the various series I'm reading (I now need the next books in the Witcher, Wheel of Time, The Drowning Empire), start a new one (The Last Kingdom) and read some excellent standalone novels. I finished Pandora by Susan Stokes-Chapman yesterday, which I thought was excellent, and am now about a third of the way through Ithaca by Claire North. The Greek mythology theme is going strong, although unexpectedly, Pandora is actually set in Georgian London.

I have so many 'to be read' books and keep adding to the list, as seems inevitable!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 23, 2023, 04:22:58 PM
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I had always been aware of the series but never actually got around to reading it. I watched the first season of the show and thought it was so appalling, I had to read the book to see if it was yet another example of dreadful book to screen conversion (it is). I actually deeply enjoy the books and the themes and ideas that they explore.

Yeah there sure were a lot of misteps with the writing and editing. It can't all be blamed on covid and losing the actor for Mat at the end. Still, I think part of it was possibly amazon exec interference, and not giving them 10 episodes. I'm not going to write Rafe Judkins and his team of just yet. Let's see if they learnt their lessons for season 2. I'm cautiously optimistic it will hit more at a 7/10 for me, while season 1 was a weak 6/10 overall.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on August 24, 2023, 11:27:26 AM
More books!

I read The Third Man And Other Stories, a book of short stories by Graham Greene: I'd never read or seen The Third Man despite it being one of the most famous works relating to the city I live in, so I thought I'd give it a go. And it's fine! It's a pretty good little murder story set in a grim part of post-war Viennese history, the core concept is clever and it's well executed. I don't think it's going to make a long term major impression on my brain by I'm glad I read it.

The other short stories are a mixed bag, mostly slice-of-life. Possibly my favourites were A Shocking Accident, about a man whose father died in an absurd accident and his need to have people see it the way he did, and Awful When You Think About It, which is about imagining who babies will grow up to be (albeit Greene, being himself, imagines the baby growing up to join his club as another chap). In general I think they interested me more as period pieces for anything they were directly trying to say: interesting little windows on a time when white middle class men could sit in southern France writing words professionally and somehow string that together along with some family money, in a way that I don't think the modern world allows for (both because the demands on writers are that much greater, and because now everyone has more writing access and the middle class men don't have the same total dominance of literature by virtue of having been born English). Perhaps the world is still more like that than I think, but it definitely feels an old fashioned sort of outlook on the world.



Then, yesterday, I read The Beautiful Decay, the second Tombtown book by vicorva. I liked it a lot! The core concept of necromancers threatened by fungi is excellent, and managed to make for an interesting from-another-place villain in the way that it was working out how to adapt to the world as it went, which is something that often isn't played with a lot. It's common in fiction to see e.g. humans adapting to a dangerous alien, but less common to see aliens adapting to the humans. If anything that would've been interesting to have leaned into more in places, as the creature's curiosity is pretty plot-essential to why a lot of characters don't just get flat-out murdered. This is also a really classy feature for dealing with something that's often a plot hole: with a more regular villain the fact that half the characters don't just get executed and can keep coming back and having a crack at the villain would make little sense, but I think having that element of the villain having a concept of world domination and rulership without necessarily having a concept of what the world is like or what strategy makes any sense is really interesting and I liked it a lot.

It's interesting looking at the differences to book one. TBD definitely has a different feel to it, partly because the characters are older and have been through more, but also because the setting feels like it's actually warmer at heart than in book one despite the higher levels of trauma some characters have been through. For one thing, it's much more explicit about its LGBT-ness and neurodiverse-ness than book one, and that also seems to come into the world-building more: we get the sense that this is a setting where being trans or indeed various other identities are much more common at least in Tombtown and possibly in the world more generally than in our own. Secondly, whilst there's a lot in the book about learning to trust people again, there aren't many enormous issues that turn up with them doing that, it just takes time. There's less of a sense of people being threats to each other, with Tombtown itself being, I guess, more subdued in this book and the threat feeling more external: the problems the characters face are ones about trust and powerlessness, and reflecting on their wider societies (and fungi), but the general viewpoints on human nature more directly are really quite cosy.

The new paladin characters are interesting in part because they absolutely 100 percent fit into the more general Tombtown LGBT characters block and are basically good folk who take their callings seriously and don't stab before asking questions. I'd be interested to see that tension explored more in some future stories between Persephone's paladin-as-wandering-helper attitude and the paladin-cop much feared by Tombtown denizens and chaotic aligned adventuring colleagues everywhere.

There are also a lot of intensely relatable moments: Usther fretting about not having her cat and her minion in sight so she could look after them really, really hit home somehow. I liked having Usther in there a lot as a main character alongside Ree. There's bits of lots of the major characters that I do or don't empathise with, and I like seeing Tombtown from more different perspectives. Anyway, it was a good sequel and I hope more of the series appears someday, I'd be interested to see some short stories giving some more regular views on the setting.



I've never read The Dispossessed, but really should do, I love le Guin though I should read more of her work. Also never read the Wheel of Time, though it is famously long and I don't know when my personal Wheel of Time will revolve to a point where I have that sort of space...
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: psyanojim on August 24, 2023, 01:34:21 PM
Just finished re-reading Peter Hamiltons 'Pandoras Star' and 'Judas Unchained', and remembering why he is one of my favourite sci-fi authors.

Curiously enough, Ursula Le Guins 'The Dispossessed' is sitting on my desk right next to me, in my queue of books to read or re-read.

Next in the queue is, somewhat randomly, Evelyn Waughs 'Brideshead Revisited'. I'm also about 2/3rds of the way through 'Moby Dick'.

Edit: on that note, I just rewatched a couple of minutes of the 'Brideshead Revisited' TV series from the 1980s. Jeremy Irons narrating Evelyn Waugh really is a match made in heaven. I find the languid, almost lazy pace at which he rambles through subjects like art, religion, history, poetry, beauty and philosophy to be utterly captivating.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 25, 2023, 03:31:20 AM
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I read The Third Man And Other Stories, a book of short stories by Graham Greene: I'd never read or seen The Third Man despite it being one of the most famous works relating to the city I live in, so I thought I'd give it a go. And it's fine! It's a pretty good little murder story set in a grim part of post-war Viennese history, the core concept is clever and it's well executed. I don't think it's going to make a long term major impression on my brain by I'm glad I read it.
I was not even aware that it was a book! I should have guessed. Truly an excellent film though.
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I've never read The Dispossessed, but really should do, I love le Guin though I should read more of her work. Also never read the Wheel of Time, though it is famously long and I don't know when my personal Wheel of Time will revolve to a point where I have that sort of space...
I can only recommend it in the strongest terms. Alongside The Left Hand of Darkness.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on August 25, 2023, 03:31:46 AM
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Curiously enough, Ursula Le Guins 'The Dispossessed' is sitting on my desk right next to me, in my queue of books to read or re-read.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on September 16, 2023, 11:30:19 PM
I read Insects Are Just Like You And Me Except Some Of Them Have Wings by Kuzhali Manickavel. It's a short story collection, and it's pretty weird, but I also felt I got a lot out of reading it despite and indeed because of that. Manickavel's writing feels like it has the sort of fantastical trauma response that often appears in magical realism deeply embedded in it, that sense of dreaming and foresight and a twisting of small magics and small deaths in ways that are remarkably uncommon in what one might consider fantasy per se. Unlike magical realism, however, Manickavel's short stories largely follow individual more than societal scales of issue. It is not the world being torn apart that dominates her little vignettes and tales, but the sense of seeing a world where you yourself already have a torn and tattered self to face it with. The presence of diagrams with titles like "Childhood mythology represented as a male earwig with wing extended" worked well for me - it kind of doubled down on the absurdity, but with a certain scientism that gave it a bit of an edge. Would definitely recommend to anyone looking for something a bit different to have a go at.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on September 17, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
That sounds fascinating!

I am reading Fool's Fate, (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/45108) Book Three of the Tawny Many trilogy. I finished book two a couple of weeks ago, and marched right on to book three. I've decided to then push ahead with the rest of her books that are set in the same world (The Realm of the Elderlings (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/45108)).  So, 4 Rain Wild Chronicles books, and then the Fitz and the Fool Trilogy. Reviews are a little mixed on the Rain Wild Chronicles, but the agreement is they deliver a lot of background world lore that is really important for Fitz and the Fool, which is very highly regarded. It seems that the very final book in this 14(!!) book series is extremely highly regarded (4.65 on good reads! (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30688013-assassin-s-fate)), so that is what pushed me to accept the time commitment needed to get there. I'm really enjoying Hobb's writing. Particularly the character of Fitz. I would need to think on it a bit and write some reviews in the future.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: BeerDrinkingBurke on September 19, 2023, 08:00:17 AM
Today I am also reading this long form essay by Doc Burford on writing. It includes a great quote by Terry Pratchett.https://docseuss.medium.com/refuting-the-bullet-so-you-wanna-write-an-interesting-story-but-dont-know-where-to-begin-c67003cce233 (https://docseuss.medium.com/refuting-the-bullet-so-you-wanna-write-an-interesting-story-but-dont-know-where-to-begin-c67003cce233)

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O: You’re quite a writer. You’ve a gift for language, you’re a deft hand at plotting, and your books seem to have an enormous amount of attention to detail put into them. You’re so good you could write anything. Why write fantasy?
 

Pratchett: I had a decent lunch, and I’m feeling quite amiable. That’s why you’re still alive. I think you’d have to explain to me why you’ve asked that question.
 

O: It’s a rather ghettoized genre.
 

P: This is true. I cannot speak for the US, where I merely sort of sell okay. But in the UK I think every book — I think I’ve done twenty in the series — since the fourth book, every one has been one the top ten national bestsellers, either as hardcover or paperback, and quite often as both. Twelve or thirteen have been number one. I’ve done six juveniles, all of those have nevertheless crossed over to the adult bestseller list. On one occasion I had the adult best seller, the paperback best-seller in a different title, and a third book on the juvenile bestseller list. Now tell me again that this is a ghettoized genre.
O: It’s certainly regarded as less than serious fiction.
 

P: (Sighs) Without a shadow of a doubt, the first fiction ever recounted was fantasy. Guys sitting around the campfire — Was it you who wrote the review? I thought I recognized it — Guys sitting around the campfire telling each other stories about the gods who made lightning, and stuff like that. They did not tell one another literary stories. They did not complain about difficulties of male menopause while being a junior lecturer on some midwestern college campus. Fantasy is without a shadow of a doubt the ur-literature, the spring from which all other literature has flown. Up to a few hundred years ago no one would have disagreed with this, because most stories were, in some sense, fantasy. Back in the middle ages, people wouldn’t have thought twice about bringing in Death as a character who would have a role to play in the story. Echoes of this can be seen in Pilgrim’s Progress, for example, which hark back to a much earlier type of storytelling. The epic of Gilgamesh is one of the earliest works of literature, and by the standard we would apply now — a big muscular guys with swords and certain godlike connections — That’s fantasy. The national literature of Finland, the Kalevala. Beowulf in England. I cannot pronounce Bahaghvad-Gita but the Indian one, you know what I mean. The national literature, the one that underpins everything else, is by the standards that we apply now, a work of fantasy.
 

Now I don’t know what you’d consider the national literature of America, but if the words Moby Dick are inching their way towards this conversation, whatever else it was, it was also a work of fantasy. Fantasy is kind of a plasma in which other things can be carried. I don’t think this is a ghetto. This is, fantasy is, almost a sea in which other genres swim. Now it may be that there has developed in the last couple of hundred years a subset of fantasy which merely uses a different icongraphy, and that is, if you like, the serious literature, the Booker Prize contender. Fantasy can be serious literature. Fantasy has often been serious literature. You have to fairly dense to think that Gulliver’s Travels is only a story about a guy having a real fun time among big people and little people and horses and stuff like that. What the book was about was something else. Fantasy can carry quite a serious burden, and so can humor. So what you’re saying is, strip away the trolls and the dwarves and things and put everyone into modern dress, get them to agonize a bit, mention Virginia Woolf a few times, and there! Hey! I’ve got a serious novel. But you don’t actually have to do that.
 

(Pauses) That was a bloody good answer, though I say it myself.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on September 22, 2023, 03:43:26 PM
That is a good answer! And I've not read any Hobb and probably should.



My latest read was East of the West, by Miroslav Penkov, a book of short stories about modern Bulgaria which I decided to read on account of being on holiday in Bulgaria. It's excellent, albeit grim, he's a very good writer indeed and can carry me through certain sorts of comically depressing writing that I'd give up on from another author. A lot of his stories shade into semi-absurdities but ones that are still just about believable against the backdrop of late Communist and early post-Communist Bulgaria, and its relationship with the capitalist world it was rammed hard into contact with. Definitely worth reading anyhow.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on September 23, 2023, 04:35:42 PM
I am re-reading the Flashman novel about the Crimean War.  I feel torn about these books.  George Macdonald Fraser was a careful observer of human behaviour and an enthusiastic researcher who challenges his readers to look up some ridiculous detail and find out that it actually happened.

But Flashman is just such a despicable person.  He is a bully, a rapist, and a slaver, and each of his adventures involve a lot of close shaves and suffering but end with him richer and more respectable than before.  He is not just weak, but actively wicked.  I don't like spending time with him in a first-person voice that is sometimes him and sometimes Fraser.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on September 23, 2023, 05:41:53 PM
Yes, I never even started on the Flashman books for exactly that reason, I just took a look and was like "well that character sounds horrible and I have zero wish to hang out with them being a protagonist". Though all these are YMMV, I definitely have some grim authors in the list of people I enjoy (though mostly much older ones, Fenimore Cooper being the obvious).
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on September 23, 2023, 08:04:31 PM
Flashman's depravity also gets in the way of the points about imperialism which Fraser wants to make.  Its hard to believe that maybe the British Empire wasn't so bad when its face is a slaving snobby bulling rapist (and its hard to sympathize with his suffering when the cause of that suffering is 'maybe my wife beds other men like I bed other women' or 'someone I betrayed four books ago is back and has the receipts').

Flandry at least fights for something, and James Bond is an honest thug.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on September 30, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
I've been reading (well listening to audiobooks) the Elric of Menibone saga. Didn't expect it to be my kind of thing but I'm rather enjoying it.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on November 17, 2023, 11:10:50 PM
My 12th book - actually reaching my minimum reading target for the year with about forty days to go - was For The Love Of Philae by Christian Jacq. It's a historical novel imagining the final days of the temple at Philae, essentially the last operating pre-Christian religious community in Egypt. Because the author's sympathies are entirely with the Philae community, it's fundamentally a tragedy, most characters are dead by the end etc. It's an interesting concept but a bit of a flawed execution.

I think it probably loses a bit from being a translation, but also generally I found the style a bit tricky. We're sort of half invited into the inner lives of most of the characters: the interest of the book mainly stems from their difficulties as a network of people and their different desires, friendships, and their political, moral and theological positions between Byzantine Imperial, Christian Egyptian, and pre-Christian culture. They end up as position-avatars more than people sometimes, however: for example, the Byzantine general Narses is interesting in that he somewhat falls in love with the landscape as separate to any of the religious positions and ends up with this almost new age meditiative retreat over the course of the book, but that coupled with his generalship is really all he is: he has no relationships or past outside that which the plot demands, which is arguably efficient storytelling but sometimes makes the characters feel a bit singularly obsessive even for characters where not being singularly obsessive is meant to be a notable personality trait. The book takes place over several years, and often is perhaps a bit sparse in its presentation of individual events, preferring to spend time on reminding us of how the characters relate to things around them: the way that the ropes tighten around the community is quite matter-of-fact and slow and bureaucratic, which I get is what the author intended but it can make the whole thing a tad slow at points.

I think my other issue with the book was that it was so heavily modern. The things that characters in it seem to appreciate about ancient religion are the things that Jacq finds captivating about ancient religion, a sense of mysticism and beauty and antiquity and a feeling that Christianity was a somewhat totalitarian imposition overturning a somehow more tolerant ancient world. Conversely there are important aspects of the whole thing that are uncomfortable to say the least: the Nubian followers of non-Christian faiths are very much a generic externality and their portrayal, even granted that they are nominally on the side of the protagonists, is as a racialised, autocthonous, noble savage type group.

But anyway, an interesting if flawed read.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on November 21, 2023, 05:25:56 PM
Just a little update on my own reading at the moment, although I don't currently have much to say as I have hit one of my typical reading slumps in which beginning a new book seems rather overwhelming in my current brain state.

However, I am currently two books short of averaging two books a month for this year (though my reading pattern does not in any way reflect this average - I have basically read around 6 books in the space of a week or two, followed by several months of reading nothing at all, followed by frantically devouring books again for a bit...).

I received several books for my birthday over the weekend, and am looking forward to cracking into them when my brain state gets itself back into gear. So I'm hopeful that I will reach, if not exceed, my goal of 24 books for the year. Wish me luck!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on December 02, 2023, 05:23:40 AM
I am reading "A Fool and His Money" by Ann Wroe, a social history of fourteenth-century Rodez in Languedoc, in bits and pieces.  I think that the loosely footnoted style which is vague about what is in the archives and what she imagined works well because most of those sources were either in bad abbreviated Latin or local dialects of Occitan that you can only learn by reading and asking native speakers and reading Catalan dictionaries.  It would be a good inspiration for fantasy misadventures and low drama because nobody is very wicked or very competent (there are some violent criminals).

Someone could easily write gritty noir stories about Ptolemaic or Roman Egypt.

I am trying to find happier things to talk about than current events or the collapse of systems of trusting-but-verifying.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on December 02, 2023, 09:21:08 AM
Ooh, any particularly good vignettes or stories in the book that you've come across? :)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on December 02, 2023, 07:27:19 PM
Well, the focus is a court case in 1369 or 1370 where a pewter pot of gold was found in a clogged drain and the question was whether it belonged to the owner who had leased it out, or was treasure trove, in which case the count or the bishop had claims to it.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on December 02, 2023, 11:28:18 PM
I like those sorts of fairly everyday but notable questions. It's the sort of thing that works well in book stories or dramas but I've rarely seen work in a game: in a story, everyone waiting to see what a judge or similar will decide on a point of law is tension building, in a game it feels quite low agency for players I think.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on December 04, 2023, 02:52:39 AM
She also dug up this unforgettable song.  The language is pretty easy if you know Latin and a Romance language, the most unexpected word is bago "ring."  Supposedly there is another text in the Anthologie des Chants Populaires francais.

Al' pon da Mirabel (On the bridge of Mirabel)
Catarina lababo. (Caterina was washing)

Venguero a passa (Came riding past)
Tres cabelhes d'armada. (Three armed knights)

Lo premier li diguet (The first one asked her)
'Ne ses pas maridada?'

Lo seguon le donet
Uno polido bago.

Mas lo bago del det (But the ring from her finger)
Tombet al fon de l'ayo (Fell in the source of the water)

Lo trosieme sautet
Forget lo cobussado. (Leapt over the parapet)

Mas tornet pas monta (But he did not come back up)
Ne trobet pas lo bago. (Or find the ring)

Al' pon da Mirabel
Catarina plorabo (Caterina was crying)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on December 04, 2023, 11:35:23 PM
I assume the remaining unbracketed lines in your version would be something like

'Ne ses pas maridada?' (Aren't you married?)

Lo seguon le donet (The second he gave her (donet/donate?))
Uno polido bago. (A ?shiny? ring)

Lo trosieme sautet (The third ???)

The scansion could fit a tune very like Sur le pont d'Avignon, though I don't know if I'm just getting reminded of that due to the vague region of origin.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on December 05, 2023, 12:49:35 AM
I assume the remaining unbracketed lines in your version would be something like

'Ne ses pas maridada?' (Aren't you married?)

Lo seguon le donet (The second he gave her (donet/donate?))
Uno polido bago. (A ?shiny? ring)
Oc!  (Because this is Languedoc where they don't say oui like the French)

Lo trosieme sautet (The third ???)
French  sauter and Latin salire (https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=salire&la=la)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on December 10, 2023, 05:43:49 AM
The Public Domain Review has long form essays about writers whose works are in the public domain such as German sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/out-on-the-town/ Their house style is modeled on literary reviews like the New York Review of Books.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on December 15, 2023, 04:21:46 PM
So I've been reading and enjoying Mizo Myths, by Cherrie Lalnunziri Chhangte and published by Blaft Publications, a small southern Indian publishing house. The book contains fifteen folk tales from Mizoram, one of the states of northeastern India (the bit you get to right round past Bangladesh, neighbouring the SE Asian peninsula). It's fascinating! There's a lot of focus on marriage and trickery, a lot of were-tigers and other anthropomorphised animals, and other enjoyable and unexpected elements including dancing pig dung and the reason that bats only come out at night (they switched sides too many times in the primordial war between land animals and birds, having bits of both groups, until they'd wildly annoyed everyone).

Would very much recommend, there's some really good elements and stories in there that I might swipe for running games sometime, and a cast of creatures and tropes that are both familiar and unfamiliar.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on December 31, 2023, 05:05:14 PM
Just started Ken Follet's Pillars of The Earth.  So far it seems kinda meh, and not particularly immersive. It feels like a fantasy setting inspired by a medieval period than the actual medieval world it's meant to depict.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on December 31, 2023, 05:54:49 PM
There have been several books published on the personal politics and management decisions of TSR in Indiana.  I think there are similar books to be written about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Ansell  Ian Livingstone, the British Steve Jackson, and Tom Kirby.  Recently WotC hired Pinkertons to track down some pre-released Magic cards (https://gizmodo.com/magic-the-gathering-leaks-wizards-wotc-pinkertons-1850374546) which is GW level skulduggery.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on December 31, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on January 02, 2024, 11:49:04 PM
@Pent Oo, I've not read Pillars of the Earth. Will be interested to see if it improves.

@Spritelady impressive list!



I hit fifteen books by the end of 2023, so here's some notes on the last two, an extremely wintery pair and both thus very appropriate for the time of year.

One was the short Once Upon A Time In The North, by Philip Pullman. I have to say, this one isn't a massively complex book but I loved it. It's two of my favourite Pullman characters, Lee Scoresby and Iorek Byrnison, on their first meeting having a run-in with a nasty populist political figure. And that, sometimes, is basically everything I want in a story: a very readable length at just 100 pages, characters with a dynamic that is comradely without being boring, side-characters who feel real and yet tie in well to the narrative, and a good balance between gentle tension, quiet conversational moments, and a bit of solid adventure work to cap it all off well. It's probably one that needs the reader to have read His Dark Materials (not the Book of Dust etc, but the original trilogy), so it has that entry barrier, but regardless I think it's now one of my favourite Pullman books and I would also kind of like more novellas in my life, a book I can do in one sitting where the sitting is shorter than most of a day has its uses.

I also read The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula le Guin, the quality of which can be summed up with the words "by Ursula le Guin". It took me a little while to get into - I think her stuff sometimes does for me - but I think in particular there's not another SFF writer I can think of who reaches her exceptional grasp and use of metaphor, and the quality of that drew me fairly inexorably in. It's a very thoughtful story, and hugely interesting in historical context, and famously with its androgynous human folk as a key part of the novel exploring different ideas about gender and its potential construction. The contrast is made more stark than it might be if the novel was written today: the main character, written with attitudes perhaps more typical of men at the time it was written, is written largely as a very empathetic, progressive sort of figure but does at times feel faintly distant from my own world, nominally his own, in one or two of his thought processes when viewed with my 2020s views on gender, sex and sexuality. I think the specific androgyne culture of the book is really interesting in its own right and is written carefully and sensitively, nonetheless.

I think the things that will stay with me, though, are in particular some of the almost visual aspects as well as some of the characters. As for the former, le Guin writes hugely evocative descriptions, especially of the ice though also the cities are really interestingly described and are great fuel for rethinking how settlements can fit together. Conversely to one of the arguable points of the book, I think I found as much empathy for Estraven as Genly of the main characters. Estraven is a character type I'd hugely like to see more of, someone who is a fundamentally good character and whose abillity is essentially that of the chessmaster: we tend to be a culture that has scheming villains and straightforward heroes, and against that Estraven is a complex, messy, scheming hero, liminal in their position in the world and treading a complex dance between factions, cultures and mores. I'd really like to see more characters in fiction written like that.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Pentagathus on January 04, 2024, 06:56:04 PM
@Pent Oo, I've not read Pillars of the Earth. Will be interested to see if it improves.
Can't tell you, I decided to return it and bought a fantasy novel called Fury of Kings or summin like that. It was reasonably good, fairly full of tropes and felt like a YA attempt at GoT at some points but overall enjoyable. Apparently it's this authors debut novel so hopefully the second in the series improves.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: dubsartur on January 07, 2024, 03:22:10 AM
Here is my own take https://www.bookandsword.com/2024/01/06/books-read-in-2023/
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on January 24, 2024, 11:13:07 PM
First book of 2024 done and I started as I finished the last one with more le Guin, specifically Tales From Earthsea. It's a short story collection, a format I quite like and actually should write more of. It's really good (again, the "it's by Ursula le Guin" probably gave that away) - there's quite a lot of focus in the stories about the relationship between women and magic, and also a bit of a theme of history and memory especially as several of the stories, whilst not forming a whole, do echo each other through Earthsea's history. Definitely a strong start to the year's reading, let's hope I can keep it up.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on January 31, 2024, 10:27:00 AM
I have so far read three books in 2024 and recently started a fourth, so I am apparently going through one of my manic reading phases. I know it won't last but I'm enjoying it at the moment.

I began If We Were Villains by M.L. Rio in 2023 and finished it off in the first couple of days of January. It was an excellent book, with interesting characters and very much reminded me of A Secret History (which was the comparison given by a reviewer that led me to purchase the book in the first place, as that is one of my favourite books). I solidly recommend it to anyone who enjoys a mystery with a side of social drama.

My second book was The League of Gentlewomen Witches, a very funny, very well written book that manages to both gently poke fun at multiple genres and tropes (period dramas and epic romances among them) while creating interesting characters that I felt really quite invested in, despite or perhaps because of the silliness of the plot. It also left me with several new favourite phrases, including 'Assault With a Deadly Compliment' and this little gem of an exchange:
Two characters who do not like one another are talking
-Character 1 is interrupted-
1: "Oh, where was I?"
2: "I cannot recall. But I have a suggestion as to where you might go."

And finally I read The Book of Deacon, which I borrowed from my sister several centuries ago and neglected to either read or return until now. I thought the worldbuilding was excellent, the story was interesting but sadly the writing style was absolutely appalling. I'm not yet sure whether this is because of personal taste or an objective lack of quality, but either way I am interested enough to keep reading, so clearly the author is doing something right.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on March 01, 2024, 12:15:54 PM
I have finished my second book for the year so am really not keeping up with Spritelady's pace!

It was Tower of the Swallow, the penultimate book in the main Witcher run (meaning I have two books left because there's also the standalone Storm of Swords to read sometime.) It was fine. It had a lot of the things I kind of expected from a Sapkowski novel, including some interesting historical and mythological references which I enjoyed - especially bits like the reference to the theory that swallows spend winter buried in mud at the bottom of lakes, a subject on which there was a real debate in the lat eighteenth century. There are also some stand-out side characters in the forms of Kenna and Vysogota (though Vysogota's reappearance at the end hit a bit weirdly for me). I think Vysogota is among my favourite side-characters, he was very well written.

Unfortunately it also included other things I expected from a Sapkowski novel, including bizarrely gratuitous levels of violence and sexual commentary or sexualisation of very unsexual situations, all of which kind of stops having any impact because once you're into needing to count the specifically sadistic villains in a story they start losing their impact. I think Sapkowski really leans into the random uncontrolled violence and the use of sexual assault as an "oh look this world is quite bad" background detail to an extent that robs it of any sense and power in the narrative.

There are also some character issues: Bonhart is a solid uncomplicated villain, but also having to keep track of all the other villains makes him lose his impact, coupled with the fact that not enough is done to solidify their respective roles. I think Skellen/Tawny Owl probably gets the worst deal here, he's potentially a much more interesting antagonist and I'd have liked a bit more exploration of his motives. Also, Ciri doesn't always feel well written to me, and this book is really more about her than Geralt, which is sort of one of its problems: Sapkowski's story is pushing him more and more to rely on bits of his writing that he just isn't as good at. This is partly because I'm not sure anyone could write Ciri well given the bizarre complexity of her biography (it's really hard to follow what she's doing at any given age) and her skill set: but the mess of anger, violence, heroism, sexuality and deep trauma ends up meaning she never really either breaks from or processes any of the trauma, but she can't be written to be as traumatised as someone with her backstory should be or she'd lose her functionality as a character.

Anyway, I have critiques but I don't regret having read it, and I'm interested to see how the last book pans out. I think another thing that I'm increasingly thinking about is how this all ends up transferring forwards into the games and what they've had to twist to make the game narratives work. Will report back when I've finished the series!
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on March 14, 2024, 11:38:14 AM
I have also recently read Tower of the Swallow! And intend to start on Lady of the Lake soon.

I always find it interesting to read your analysis of these books, because I think I tend to switch off a little and enjoy the story, and then I read your thoughts and think "Actually, that's a very good point". I also enjoyed the mythological references (and have throughout the series, I think they're quite well worked in), and found some of the unnecessary sexualisation rather odd and flat to read.

I particularly enjoyed the two short story collections in this series, and have enjoyed the overall dramatic plot novels rather less, but I'm interested to see what happens in the last book, Season of Storms (I think Storm of Swords is from A Song of Ice and Fire?), since it's set between some of the stories from the first book I believe.

In other updates, I have now read a total of 14 books this year (and done very little else it seems!), most of which I have thoroughly enjoyed. I wonder if I should make a separate post somewhere to talk about the various books I've read, since this one will get a little clogged if I were to put up 14 short reviews! In brief though, the major thing I have read was the ACOTAR series, which despite being a major fad among the fiction reading world was very enjoyable and had a range of interesting characters, cool worldbuilding concepts and intriguing magic.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Jubal on March 14, 2024, 01:06:03 PM
You're absolutely right, it is Season of Storms (though I think from the blurb it is actually a book themed around swords, hence my confusion).

I have meanwhile gotten round to reading The Lady of the Lake. Decisions sure were made in the writing of this book. Rest of post spoilered because I know Spritelady hasn't read it yet:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on April 04, 2024, 06:49:20 PM
I finally also finished Lady of the Lake. I agree with pretty much everything you said about it really - once I started noticing how often odd sexual things cropped up, it really started to irk me, especially when it was completely unnecessary.
I've started playing the Witcher 3 again, to give myself some good Witcher vibes.

I am currently almost at the end of The Bone Shard War, the third part in a trilogy that I really really like, not least because of its excellent characters, interesting magic and good suspense building. Strongly recommend.
Title: Re: What are you reading?
Post by: Spritelady on April 16, 2024, 04:03:42 PM
Quick update: I finished Bone Shard War, which I thought was very good, although the first in that series remains my favourite.

I've also since read Silence of the Girls, which is an interesting telling of the Classical tale of the war with Troy, from the perspective of Briseis and focusing on the fates of the women and girls involved in it all. I've read a few similar sorts of books in the last year or two, and enjoy them thoroughly. I can happily recommend this one!

Has anyone else read Fourth Wing? I'd not heard of it, though it's apparently gaining popularity very quickly. A friend recommended it, and I went out to get a copy over the weekend. I finished it in my lunch break today and have to say, it was very fun. All about dragon riders, if anyone is interested!