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Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Private Clark on June 01, 2008, 05:06:08 PM
So I'm playing a campaign as the Brutii, vanilla RTW. It's the year 215BC and I've got all of Greece up to about the Danube river and I'm expanding into Asia Minor. Meanwhile, Egypt has become a major superpower, Seleucid's no longer exist, and me and the Egyptians are fighting for the most advance and largest faction awards. Question is, I've now got a strong-ish foothold in Asia Minor, but Egypt has brought its massive army against me, have any fail-safe strategies for dealing with large Egyptian armies with several unit of bowmen, chariots and phalanx?

At the moment, I've got my men in a sort of semi circle, infantry in the first line, archers in the middle, I rely very much on my archers and i usually have 2-3 Cretans and 2-3 Auxillia Archers. Otherwise, in the first line I've got 3-4 Legionary/Early legionary Cohorts, a couple of mercenary hoplites, Basternae mercenaries if i can find them, otherwise Thracians. Finally i have cavalry behind ready to chase down routers (2 Roman Cavalry + General). My combination has been working well, haven't lost a battle, but at some point, the enemy retreat after a while and so can reform their army.

During my campaign in Greece, my strategy was forming a line with infantry and advance them up about 50 feet from the hoplites, then I would place my cavalry around the flanks of the Hoplites, then i would charge into their backs, this worked very well, i was able to effortlessly murder whole armies with minimum casualties, however this won't work with the egyptians because of their frequent bowmen, and quick chariots, furthermore, they have decent supporting cavalry: Desert Cavalry.

So! Discuss your strategies fighting Egypt.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Jubal on June 01, 2008, 06:46:48 PM
Strategy #1; Drop your legionaries. in the eat legionaries are at thier least effecitve - think Carrhae.

The chariots and light cav will slaughter your legions, get rid of them.

What you need is merc support and auxilia. The best way to take out the chariots is eles if you can get them, if not machine gun bow/siege them (spam archer auxlia, repeater ballista) or take gladiators.


My roman armies in the east consist of mostly cavalry, roman cav isn't that good but they'll fare reasonably against most eastern and egytian infantry.
Firstly, chariots, use the strateies above. your cavalry wing has to kep otu the way here, the chariots will slaughter them. The chariots should be taken out by a separate force, with your cavalry and lgiht infantry body at th back of the battlefield until they are gone. Once they have been taken out (and you WILL take casulaties uness you have merc elephants), move the remanants of your chriot killers back to your main infatry body. After that then the cavalry wing (which should be mimimum half your force) should simply be used as a single, crushing hammer, pummelling into the bowmen then pulling out before the melee gets protracted. They should be able to do this with few casulaties, advoiding the cumbersome phalanxes.
Finally, the phalangites are simple to beat, just put a linght to medium infantry meat shield up with the rest of your force, then smash them in the back.

That's my roman strategy anyway. Romans re OK against Egypt if you do it right, better than the poor greeks (phalxes in the desert V.S. chariots, ouch), but not as good as Carthage (elephants own chariots).
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Private Clark on June 01, 2008, 08:08:19 PM
Mkay, so go with Auxillia then? What exactly was your strategy for taking out chariots? Hitting them with arrows?
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Post by: Jubal on June 01, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
Fire arows, or gladiators (although quite a few will die), and/or plenty of ballistae or scorpions (scorps if you can get them, can't remember off the top of my head if the romans can).
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Marcus on June 02, 2008, 03:56:01 AM
Romans are the only ones who can get scorpions.  :P
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Post by: Jubal on June 02, 2008, 04:40:44 PM
Really? My copy has the hell modded out of it so far I forget these things, in mine Carthage and Greeks get scorps too.
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Post by: stormcloud on June 03, 2008, 03:56:44 PM
I find that Roman cavalry is consistent in abilities and that a full army (well with one space free to hire mercs to handle rams in case of a siege) of them can take on just about anything, with the faster stuff flanking phalanx and smashing their rear before I make them run off again :-) its all about timing and forethought, also if you try getting them to split up by chasing various units they are easy to kill.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Guest on June 30, 2008, 07:48:50 PM

Have a military center where you can train standard armies, full stacks to a set design, and make two of them to work with the other. If used well they can easily take out many full stacks, even some more powerful.
I conquered Africa and most of Europe with this method.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Private Clark on June 30, 2008, 07:50:03 PM
Thanks Gallowglass, i actualy lost that save file when i reinstalled Rome, but thanks anyway  :P
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Post by: Legion Of Hell on August 20, 2008, 08:40:20 PM
I regard Egypt as the most backstabbing faction in the history of Total War games.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Jubal on August 20, 2008, 09:44:10 PM
I hate egyptians. They are unrealistic and OP.
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Post by: stormcloud on August 20, 2008, 09:54:51 PM
chat with singe arabs here ad  :blink:
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Post by: Private Clark on August 21, 2008, 02:09:09 AM
OP?
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Post by: comrade_general on August 21, 2008, 02:13:06 AM
over powered im guessing
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Post by: Jubal on August 21, 2008, 08:54:01 AM
Correct! Have a biscuit.
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Post by: stormcloud on August 21, 2008, 09:43:12 AM
lol bill bailey

now mr president, Iran Irran
Evil?
Correct! Have a biscuit.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Jubal on August 21, 2008, 10:43:04 AM
Goddamn Bill Bailey, always stealing my goddamn ideas. Does he have no respect?
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: blackfang on May 14, 2010, 07:22:53 PM
well egyptians are nothing, i always pwn them in the start. I have never lost a battle against them, all i do is build huge cavalry based armies with a lot of slingers just for ranges sake and some javeliners. That works well, i also do have this sick thing about getting phalanxes myself. Once i got a platoon or two i just send them across the field defending them from harm from the sides and they will take care of the rest. Learn to use them in attack and you will be invincible :ninja:
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Jubal on May 14, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
The trouble comes if you're on the wrong side of the map. If you get them early they're pipsqueaksy, but late on in the game... the sheer numbers of chariots and pikes can seriously bugger even heavy cavalry, and they'll be throwng around insane numbers of full stacks.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: blackfang on May 15, 2010, 12:01:45 PM
no problem, never lost a battle of significance. I have fought them as julii, brutii and scipii and they were no problem at any one of them. However what i had problems with was that it was boring battles, at all these times i had full stacks of troops whenever i used them and i didn't even bother using a strategy. I just use the numbers when i got too many troops and that seems to work. Also the first three turns ingame goes to make my champion group, no matter what team i stack one full army and then i can just take over every country with ease. Don't bother with using any tactics against Egyptians, they got terrible troops and their phalanxes can't fight my arrow rains and cavalry attacks anyway. Also the chariots are incredibly easy to kill with archers.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Jubal on May 16, 2010, 09:15:03 AM
You're a damn sight better at this than I am, then.  :P
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: blackfang on May 16, 2010, 11:39:31 AM
That depends, if you can play AS egyptians or any of the other teams non civilized, civilized means greeks and romans and Thracians, Macedonians and i put germans in here too since they got the phalanx along with their terrible infantry. If you can play with any other race then i bet you are quite good:) I am incredible poor at playing other factions, can't use gauls, can't play selucids and the brittain barbarian people they suck beyond imagination. However i somehow hold on since they start on an island but i can never seem to invade the mainland. However every race that got the phalanx, i have never lost a siege battle defending with two platoons of those. So with germans its incredibly easy just to defend. Even more so for the greeks, and the thracians are incredible at both attacking and defending. I just got a little problem that everyone starts by declaring war at me there, however i manage to build myself up at some point when the romans have taken the south. Then my expansion is incredible, and i take over half the earth. Heh it was a beautiful sight as scipii when i took the whole world, thats the only time i put in enough time to take the whole world. btw i suck at playing online since then i cannot rush with superior numbers and one more thing, the only thing i really excel at is managing my towns so i can build a lot of troops. I don't care for siege weapons and 2 turn soldiers, gotta build them fast and cheep. With this i got an incredible advantage in numbers whenever i fight someone, however on the other hand i always stay close to 0 denarii.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Jubal on May 25, 2010, 02:00:03 PM
Carthage is "my" faction if any, they're brilliant. I've had quitea bit of success as Spain, but they're the only barbarian faction I really enjoy playing. Only ever completed campaigns as Carthage and the Brutii, with near-completion on Greek Cities, Spain, and Thrace.
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Silver Wolf on May 28, 2010, 07:09:09 PM
Yeah the are great ... They've got good heavy infantry, elephants and spearmen who are able to form phalanx (if I remember right)...
Phalanx can be quite useful as a defense unit ... One unit of phalanx spearmen can completely block breached city gates...
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: blackfang on June 29, 2010, 11:01:50 AM
btw in a battle 4v4 once, a long time ago. My team compromising of romans actually managed to kill a whole greek team:D and thats said to be almost impossible on a tight area. All we did was rush with numbers and bombard with siege. eventually the soldiers broke through and it was a total slaughter ;) Ohh yeah and i sent a few swimming groups to take their siege weapons early on so they could not fire anymore :$
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Post by: Son of the King on February 01, 2011, 12:15:06 AM
Just beat the Egyptians in a tough battle... Damn chariots striking fear into my whole army. Needless to say, once I had turned it around and secured victory my RTW crashed. Hooray!
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: debux on February 01, 2011, 12:34:55 AM
ONline? I doubt it. I hate when the game crashes after winning a battle that was either hard to win, or one that I had gotten minimal losses
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Post by: comrade_general on February 01, 2011, 02:10:28 AM
Quote from: "Son of the King"
Just beat the Egyptians in a tough battle... Damn chariots striking fear into my whole army. Needless to say, once I had turned it around and secured victory my RTW crashed. Hooray!
Must have something to do with the real world situation there...
Title: Egyptians?
Post by: Phoenixguard09 on February 17, 2011, 07:37:12 AM
What anything involving Egiptians crashing and burning?  Does that involve topics that I post the first reply in?  

And for that matter, guys what is wrong with you? Don't you know how to spell Egipt? :P