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Discussion and Debate - The Philosopher's Plaza / Re: US Politics 2024
« on: January 08, 2024, 08:35:46 PM »
A lot of Americans who are not on the far right have opinions of the Biden administration which seem hard to defend (ie. the president who ended the drone war, left Afghanistan, did not enter any new wars, is very friendly to unions and passed some climate legislation in the Inflation Reduction Act gets attacked from the left and very little public gratitude for points 1 3 and 4).  His disastrous public health policy has become bipartisan.  This pessimism and unwillingness to thank the administration for wins goes back long before the current Hamas-Israel war and Biden's very strong support for the Netanyahu government.  But I think that many, perhaps most, of the people who talk about US politics have no experience implementing policy through politics (some of them probably have experience in ingroup outgroup nonsense).

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Craig Johnson and Nathan Craig at the Oakeshott Institute have a blog post and a vlog (YouTube - Invidious) about the finish of European sword blades since the year 1000.

If you look at say a cheap pair of safety scissors today, you will probably see a 'satin' finish from medium-fine grit leaving fine parallel lines.  They see traces of a different approach on medieval swords, with a grind with a rough grit one way to remove hammer marks and forge scale, and a much finer grind crossways which gave a shinier surface with a few very visible scratches from the coarse grit. 

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Teacher-student relationships (not just mentor-mentee relationships) seem very common between tenured faculty and students at wealthy US universities.
This is one of those things where I'm not sure how much it's the case everywhere, or if the US has a specific problem, or if the US is just more on it with calling out the problem, or what. I've definitely seen a lot of US scholars with a very particularly forceful public approach against staff having relationships with anyone who is in a study position, whereas it just doesn't seem to be something European academics discuss and that may mean there's a bit more quietly sweeping it under the table or it may mean there's less of a problem and I'm not sure what the balance of those things is (though I've heard enough stories from the European side to suspect that there's a lot of sweeping it under the table going on).
It is hard for me because I mostly see the version from people who like to share strong opinions on old or social media.  My understanding is that universities with such policies imposed them in response to a lot of bad behaviour and essays by tenured professors insisting that there is nothing wrong with it, and that in practice these policies are more often enforced against TAs than tenured faculty.  The social media discourse on the topic adds jealousy and discomfort with the fact that humans vary and are not infinitely maleable (easier to forbid than engage with the complexities of a relationship between a yoga instructor and her cutest student, or a 25 year old and a 19 year old).  A lot of bad people have discovered that sexually frustrated people are easy to line up behind a CAUSE, so they contrive reasons to sexually frustrate junior members of their community.  And a certain kind of bad person learns to climb in an organization to on one hand get sexual access to more people, but on the other hand use power in the organization to cover up any complaints ("the most active people in our community are spending so much energy getting together, breaking up, and talking about it that our official activities are stagnant" is a complaint).

I also believe that some of the absolute discourse during the Internet feminism wars grew out of cases like the ones discussed here, where a powerful person was using his place in the community to get laid and either treating partners badly or preferring them, and nobody with concerns dared name them directly just speak of general principles.

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An animal-rights activist has alleged that she had an affair with Peter Singer, the utilitarian philosopher with many crappy opinions, and that he had a series of physical relationships with female co-authors.  This is obviously a deeply personal conflict (the plaintiff sued about events in 2002-2004 in 2022 and represents herself) but it adds to the suspicion that many influential men in this space are in it for the chicks, and that some of the public controversies are shaped by private interpersonal drama.

Singer was one of the early advocates for Effective Altruism, although he seems to have aged out of the spotlight by 2022 (as a famous tenured professor at a rich private university he does not need the money or attention).

Teacher-student relationships (not just mentor-mentee relationships) seem very common between tenured faculty and students at wealthy US universities.

Docket 22CV01792 at https://portal.sbcourts.org/CASBCIVILPORTAL/  Many content warnings (cosmetic surgery, messy breakup with someone who likes to share crappy opinions)

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There have been several books published on the personal politics and management decisions of TSR in Indiana.  I think there are similar books to be written about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Ansell  Ian Livingstone, the British Steve Jackson, and Tom Kirby.  Recently WotC hired Pinkertons to track down some pre-released Magic cards which is GW level skulduggery.

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Discussion and Debate - The Philosopher's Plaza / Re: Belief in NHI
« on: December 28, 2023, 05:19:33 AM »
I agree that that's bad! But I'm not sure it's a kind of bad one can really just shrug off as "well those people aren't interested in critical thinking and learning anyway". A lot of people you or I might think of as producing edutainment content would strongly disagree that that's what they were doing (as opposed to providing accessible, authentic commentary on the relevant topic), and their viewers would likely feel the same way. My feeling is that this is a serious facet of modern media and thought-spaces that we're going to need to try and find a way to handle, alongside the many other issues poisoning the information flows in modern societies.
Another concept I have found online is "someone but not anyone in particular."  For about 10 years now I post and translate many sources online and provide many summaries of research, but I have trouble talking to researchers in slightly different specialties and I'm not photogenic or melodious-voiced and I think corporate social media is like the lottery in George Orwell's 1984 (it drags in people's spare resources by creating an illusion that they can change something if they just try a bit harder).  Its also inefficient to search for the source of nonsense in audio and video format compared to text and people of ill will have learned to apply the dark art of nerd sniping and Brandolini's Law.  So someone else can worry about misinformation on TikTok but it would not be a good use of my time.  Its far better to let people focus on what they are good at then to expect them to be good at everything kind of relevant.

Hiring academics to enlighten the public would be a good first step.  One reason why markets in information fail is that people will pay everything they have to be bunked, but not a dime to be debunked.

Edit: also, IME you need to like a corporate social media site to do well on it.  And learning the bizarre and constantly changing rules to get an audience on these sites takes a lot of time.  So I feel like its best to let people who enjoy these sites be the ones who try to push back against nonsense on them.  Just casually posting on social media does not go anywhere.

Back on the original topic, you can uncover the roots of most UFO nonsense just by studying books published between 1875 and 1960 (plus ancient Jewish texts such as the Book of Enoch sigh).  And when you uncover those roots, all the videos and talk radio and podcasts lose their leaves.

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Discussion and Debate - The Philosopher's Plaza / Re: Belief in NHI
« on: December 27, 2023, 06:30:05 AM »
I'm really not sure this is actually the case - I think a lot of people do look for serious information on things like TikTok. My understanding would be that a lot of people in some sense look for a sense of directness and/or authenticity as part of their framework for thinking about what media they can trust, and the sense of "this is someone like me, a Gen-Z/Millennial talking directly in their bedroom on a phone" is given a probably overly large up-weighting in the "therefore I can trust this, this person wouldn't lie to me or be distorting the important bits of the truth" calculation. That's then added to the fact that TikTok like other media young people use is often saturated with critical-thought related terminology, so there's a lot of cod-academic talking on there. And coupled with a certain scepticism about the traditional media as out of touch, and portrayals of traditional academia as likewise old fashioned and biased, there's a very fertile ground for creating content that people genuinely treat as worthwhile critical analysis and reads to them as the genuine article in that regard.
People are good at deluding themselves, but almost everyone has learned a skill after they could walk and talk and experienced that 'sound bites' and pithy phrases are cool but actual learning requires practice practice practice. 

In Canada we have one-page papers distributed in fast food joints and cafes with a section of cool random facts.  Reader's Digest used to have columns of those.  I think that 30 second videos selected by a black-box algorithm are similar.  They are meant to be absorbed with an open or agnostic mind, because there is no way to approach the information presented in a more critical way without quickly drowning it out in other sources.  That is, the audience is expected to either accept the claims, or see them as fundamentally unknowable (whereas in a scientific skeptical way of thinking we ask "is that true? how could we know? what is the evidence? where did it come from originally?")

Two useful words for the kind of things that these sites serve are edutainment and insight porn.  Insight porn is a long-form type aimed at people with high IQs but collections of snappy phrases feel similar.  On Facebook and Instagram they often circulate as images with a few dozen words of text.

Two other useful terms are truthiness and the system 1, system 2 model popularized by Daniel Kahneman.  Anonymous unsourced short-form content is meant to be consumed by people "thinking fast" rather than looking at the details.  Remember when Richard Feynmann noticed that things you talk about at a party tend to be things nobody knows anything about, like the forthcoming election, because if someone in the group obviously knew more about the topic than the others that someone would dominate the conversation.  I think this law means that people tend to consume this kind of content on topics they don't know much about or have much experience with.

Most people listen to the pub lawyer to be entertained right?  Maybe part of the fun is listening to the lawyer arguing with one or two other people who engage, but the rest is listening to someone articulate and passionate and provocative who seems like he (in my experience its a he) knows what he is talking about.  Trying to engage in a critical, evidence-based way would be more work, and they are in the pub to relax and bond. 

We all have to rely on those informal methods a lot of the time, but anyone who trusts anonymous short videos served by a black-box algorithm for selling ads will get into trouble.

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'Cecil Adam' of the Straight Dope column (1973-2018) returned in 2023 with a column on longtermism https://boards.straightdope.com/t/straight-dope-1-13-2023-is-longtermism-the-worlds-most-dangerous-belief-system/978173  Apparently some people believe 'Cecil' is a team of writers or a series of writers.

Edit: short life of Napoleon Hill, the early-20th-century swindler and self-help author (specialty: how to get rich quick).  Many aspects of his career overlap with dubious people in the spaces in these threads. https://gizmodo.com/the-untold-story-of-napoleon-hill-the-greatest-self-he-1789385645

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The Royal Fraternity of the Master Metaphysicians was founded by James B. Schafer and is largely forgotten today. Born around 1896, Schafer came from Michigan to New York sometime around 1930 and by the mid-30s had amassed a following through his speeches on the spiritual potential hidden in the material world. He explained to crowds of hundreds at Carnegie Hall each Sunday morning that the human mind had the ability to change everything around it. If you could simply imagine it, those thoughts could become real. By some estimates Schafer counted nearly 10,000 people amongst his followers by the end of the decade. ...
Schafer’s intentions with the cult were unclear. He seemed to believe every word he breathed, but he also saw that his status afforded him access to a great deal of money and women. There’s a strange psycho-sexual component to the Master Metaphysicians that’s always hinted at in news articles of the day, but never said outright.

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Discussion and Debate - The Philosopher's Plaza / Re: Belief in NHI
« on: December 22, 2023, 02:32:01 AM »
That's a fair point regarding Ancient Aliens, though at least for me I find it easier to envisage how to deal with and improve access to better history and content around something like The History Channel than I do with TikTok which because the content generation is distributed and the content algorithm centralised feels much more of a hydra to try and even think about tackling. And I think I could, if pushed, make a sit-down TV show or a vlog, whereas I cannot fathom or imagine how to boil information into TikTok sized chunks, it simply isn't a communication style I can handle at all.
Well, if someone is watching TikTok or listening to most chatty media I think you have to accept that they are not really interested in learning in a critical way.  They just want to be amused or hear what someone they care about says.  Those media are like the guy in the bar who likes to BS a lot about all kinds of ideas.

If they care about "is it true?" they will look somewhere else.

Saying something wrong that people are ANGRY ON THE INTERNET about can be a really good way to get web traffic.  One reason why I am confused about the weird Internet communities is that one of my heuristics is "never get worked up about a bad idea or person which you just know from the Internet, people who post a lot are mostly harmless" but then they started to get offline power behind them.

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Another example of how Canadian journalists are bad at seeing the story when it is right in front of them.  In 2018, when the previous US administration tried to have a Huawei executive extradited from Canada to the USA, the CCP arrested two Canadians on espionage charges, Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig.  They were released in 2021 after.  Paywalled sources now report that in November Spavor sued the government for having Kovrig pass on information from his activities in North Korea to Canadian intelligence, causing the Chinese government to think he was a spy.  And apparently Spavor goes jet-skiing with Kim Jong-Un! So you have a probably wealthy guy whose main activity is trade and tourism with North Korea and it gets presented as a faceless story about a political pawn.  Talky Canadians often overlook Canadian characters, thinkers, and drama to focus on US personalities, thinkers, and drama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Spavor

There is even some hockey hooliganism.

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In 2017, during a qualifying match between the North and South Korean women's ice hockey teams for the 2018 Winter Olympics, Spavor was assaulted by South Korean security officials as he tried to display the North Korean flag.

AFAIK Canada does not have an agency for foreign intelligence.  CSIS is more counterespionage and the RCMP had those responsibilities hived off after some of their scandals.

Although this government engages in multiple military operations overseas, the Canadian Forces are not in great shape with 150 year old problems (procurement which is very slow and expensive), 30 year old problems (sexual assault and harassment), and a new problem (lack of personnel and senior officers who do things like shooting ducks on a suburban canal and smuggling firearms).  Well regarded minister Anita Anand was recently moved from the Minister of Defense to President of the Treasury Board which suggests that the PM is not interested in changing things.

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Discussion and Debate - The Philosopher's Plaza / Re: Belief in NHI
« on: December 21, 2023, 04:46:49 AM »
Re: BDB's second link, I hadn't realised that there was a whole new wave of New Age pseudoracist UFO stuff coming out on TikTok. It doesn't surprise me but does feel depressing. I think I get particularly dispirited by TikTok stuff because the whole medium, not just the content per se, is so totally alien to how my brain works that I struggle to fathom a world that communicates like that. It makes me feel rather ironically, uhm, alien.
One of the rough lessons for people who liked the scholarly early Internet is that a lot of digital things in the smartphone age are not for us.  As the Internet grows bigger, it becomes less like a cross between a university campus and a geeky convention and more like people in general.

The History Channel has been marinating the brains of older male Americans with less college education in ancient aliens nonsense for 20 years.  TikTok can't do any worse, it just reaches a different demographic.  I think that anyone who dismissed this as long as it was 'only' on a major cable channel and group of trade publishers but not in media that market themselves to the richest, most educated quarter of the USA population was making a terrible mistake, the same mistake which determined the result of the 2016 presidential election.  But I don't understand that side of contemporary US culture, the sheer contempt that university-educated higher-income urban people and lower-income rural people often have for each other.

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Discussion and Debate - The Philosopher's Plaza / Re: Belief in NHI
« on: December 20, 2023, 04:51:47 PM »
The Daily Mail (!) accuses Jay Stratton, Travis Taylor, and David Grusch of having written the UFO disclosure legislation which Senator Chuck Shumer tried to slip into the National Defense Authorization Act (which authorizes the FY 2024 budget for the Department of Defense).  They cite anonymous sources which from the Daily Heil does not inspire confidence.

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Sources told DailyMail.com the legislation was drafted with input from former officials who worked on the Pentagon's programs investigating 'Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena' (UAP).
 
These include Jay Stratton, who headed the Defense Department's UAP Task Force from 2018 to 2021, his former chief scientist Travis Taylor, and program predecessor Luis Elizondo.
 
The most involved with the drafting was David Grusch, a senior intelligence official who later became an Air Force liaison to the Task Force, and has claimed to Congress that the US has recovered multiple crashed UFOs.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12860881/Congressmen-battle-disclosures-non-human-intelligence-UFO-bill.html

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General Chatter - The Boozer / Re: December Pub - When?
« on: December 18, 2023, 06:57:27 AM »
I don't have a strong preference between those days, I guess Saturday is a standard day off and not just a 'between Christmas and New Years' day off.

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Someone leaked the Intercept a document from last April in which the Indian government tells its consulates to take "concrete measures" against a list of supposed Sikh separatists in the USA and Canada.  Hardeep Singh Nijjar was on the list. https://theintercept.com/2023/12/10/india-sikhs-leaked-memo-us-canada/

The new Speaker of the House is in trouble for recording a video in praise of an outgoing Ontario Liberal official in November, thereby engaging in partisan activity while holding a non-partisan office.  The Liberal Party of Ontario is strictly speaking not the same party as the Federal Liberals.

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