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Bercor

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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2014, 10:23:42 AM »
I also don't like those vague and unhistorical terms as Gaul, Iberia or Germans, since they weren't unified states. I would much prefer something like Celtic Tribes, Iberian Tribes and German Tribes (it's not perfect but it's much better). In this way, we could, as The Sloth suggests, get rid of the superfaction Celtic Tribes and merge it with Free Tribes, opening a place for the Arverni.

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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2014, 03:31:06 PM »
Yeah but I'm speaking about the AI doing it on it's own. I played Carthage, for example, and was therefore on the other side of the map. Pergamon is surrounded by the ''Independent Cities'' faction holding Rhodes (with which it was allied) and the ''Independent Dynasties'' holding Caria and Lydia (among others). When I put ''toggle fow'' on, Pergamon had attacked both of them, taking 3 regions, even the allied Rhodes.

That's because, as you say, Pergamon was "surrounded". The AI will always attack the weakest faction it shares a land border with, even if that faction is or seems stronger than itself. If there had been another faction close by, Pergamum would probably have gone after them.

I also don't like those vague and unhistorical terms as Gaul, Iberia or Germans, since they weren't unified states. I would much prefer something like Celtic Tribes, Iberian Tribes and German Tribes (it's not perfect but it's much better). In this way, we could, as The Sloth suggests, get rid of the superfaction Celtic Tribes and merge it with Free Tribes, opening a place for the Arverni.

I think we could rename the Germanic Tribes into "Suebi" without much trouble. As for the Free Tribes, we'll need to test it out first and see how the AI reacts to such a huge superfaction.

As for Gaul, my ideal setup would be the Aedui holding most of central Gaul, with all their major allied cities (Bibracte, Avaricum, Alesia, Lutetia, Lugdunum), and the Free Tribes holding Cisalpine Gaul, Gergovia and Belgium. That way, Rome can fight some good celts in Italy while the actual Gauls can continue to build up in France. I'd avoid a celtic civil war, as it seems to cripple both sides way too much (although we could try to have Aedui and Free Tribes start at war for the heck of it).

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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2014, 03:38:09 PM »
In regards to Germanic Tribes etc I'm fine with that.
As for discarding the Celtic faction, I've already thought about doing that and it wouldn't work properly. We can make it so that the Gauls are only in Gaul, and the Celtic Tribes can resemble the Cisalpine Gauls.
The Free tribes are already going to possibly represent the Ligurians or Venetians, as well as Illyria, Thrace, and the Luistani.

The Celts would represent the Galatians, and the Galatians fought the Thracians, the Luistani warred with the Celt-Iberians as well. We need both factions.

Also by combining the factions, it would be a huge and ambiguous faction in my opinion.
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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2014, 10:03:41 PM »
I don't know about the Eastern Kingdoms. The problem with that massive superfactions is that they'll have to share the same culture, and, consequentially, the same UI and buildings. Saba and India are VERY different from the other factions, I don't think they would be well together.

I also dislike that, I find the 'Eastern' epithet a truly ugly one. Interestingly though, India and Southern Arabia had a lot of contact with each other since very early in history due to maritime trade routes, and resembled each other more than one would think. Also, as the main definition of culture in this particular context is just the building appearance, and simple structures all over Western Asia were adobe-made, it's not so bad. Only if the map encroached far into Mauryan territory would this become a serious accuracy problem.
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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2014, 10:06:59 PM »
They'll also need share the same portraits, so, no chance of Indians character portraits. Also, the Indian settlements, on the battlemap, will only be generic eastern settlement in some desert.

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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2014, 11:09:19 PM »
Are you planning to make new portraits? If so, the lack of variety the engine limits bring would be a pity, but could be worse; a northern Indian can easily resemble an eastern Iranian. As for the Indian settlements, unless the map goes far beyond the Indus, they wouldn't have been vastly different from other settlements to the West. The desert part does not apply with a good map :)

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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2014, 11:16:59 PM »
Ok, you're the specialist.

In regards to the portraits, yes, for the nomad culture. We have a member in the team who is capable of making them. However, sadly, the Indians won't have new ones, since we have no spare culture slots.

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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2014, 03:29:15 AM »
Thank you for clarifying that Tekowiat
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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2014, 08:55:23 AM »
My pleasure.

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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #84 on: March 25, 2014, 01:05:34 AM »
I was going to bring this up for a while now...why would we call the Germanic tribes ''Suebi''? After all, they were only a little part of the hundreds of Germanic tribes, and especially in the 3rd century BC there is very little known about them and I doubt they were a dominating tribe in any sense.

Also I would agree about ''Eastern'', but what alternative do we have to include all those different cultures?
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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #85 on: March 25, 2014, 04:17:36 AM »
Exactly my thoughts Mausolos. Good to hear from you, it feels like forever since you last posted :)
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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #86 on: March 25, 2014, 08:37:46 PM »
Hehe aye sorry, first I was ill, then in Scotland, then a bit busy again and visiting my friend in Bavaria- while I was working on my paper for uni all the time. However I don't think I'm making any good progress on it... good to see you agree, though ;)
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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #87 on: March 25, 2014, 09:52:02 PM »
I was going to bring this up for a while now...why would we call the Germanic tribes ''Suebi''? After all, they were only a little part of the hundreds of Germanic tribes, and especially in the 3rd century BC there is very little known about them and I doubt they were a dominating tribe in any sense.
I've noticed people seem to gravitate towards a "specific tribe" type of name rather than a more general one, even if there were hundreds of tribes that either (1) put up uncoordinated resistance and were destroyed or (2) unified under one leader as a ... superfaction  ;D

Must be because having a name that sounds kickass rather than really generic is cool...
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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #88 on: March 25, 2014, 11:05:21 PM »
Hehe true, but we should be realistic, not cool!  ;D (Well, if possible, we should be both, though ;) )
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Re: Announcement/Discussion: Faction List
« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2014, 01:46:28 AM »
Realistic IS cool :)
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