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#1
Not sure.  It seems however that Greeks copied chariot warfare from the Libyans probably then before the Trojan war.  And Romans in some ways copied the chariot from Libya.  I would say likely if it was used at all still in warfare, it was used to launch javelins from.  That type of use is described.  In previous uses of chariot warfare.

So far the latest use in war I find is about 559, but chariots were still in use in libya by 430 bc as well as in Roman times for races, trade, transport, cargo, and merchants at least.  Warfare is still iffy.  I have seen other mods use Libyan Chariots, but in case they are mercs and called libyan.  It might be more correct to say Cyrenacian as it seems they used chariots the longest of all Libyan peoples.
#2
"The Asbystae adjoin the Gilligammae upon the west. They inhabit the regions above Cyrene, but do not reach to the coast, which belongs to the Cyrenaeans. Four-horse chariots are in more common use among them than among any other Libyans. In most of their customs they ape the manners of the Cyrenaeans. Westward of the Asbystae dwell the Auschisae, who possess the country above Barca, reaching, however, to the sea at the place called Euesperides. In the middle of their territory is the little tribe of the Cabalians, which touches the coast near Tauchira, a city of the Barcaeans. Their customs are like those of the Libyans above Cyrene. "

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On Libya, from The Histories, c. 430 BCE by Herodotus

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/herod-libya1.asp

Here:  A History of Cavalry from the Earliest Times: With Lessons for the Future
By George Taylor Denison

Mentions that Libyans used war chariots at least as late as 559 bc.  Though he says they were used to transport warriors.

The question should not be if they had them.  They very likely did.  The question is, did they use them for war at this time?
#3
If you want to distinguish and have Libyans of the Carthagenian Empire and Native Libyans, yes they would probably be different.  I would say, not as heavy armor.  No hoplite like units.  Heavy spearmen is a maybe yes or maybe no thing.  I would say probably at least light or medium cavalry or both, spearmen, skirmishers, maybe even heavy spearmen but probably not as good armor or weapons as that of carthage libyans.  And I would probably say, chariots too.  Maybe archers, but maybe not slingers.
#4
Paleoveneti is another name for the Italian Veneti, maybe you could use that?  Homer is believed to have called them Eneti, a Illyrian tribe that migrated into Italy.  So either name may work better.

Libyans would have a wide range of troops and types.  Mods have had them with 4 horse chariots. They were known to have invaded Egypt as part of the sea peoples invasions long ago.  In origin, the Libyans are believed to have been a colonizing Greek Tribe called the Libu who probably intermixed with local tribes like the Temehu.  When they worked for Carthage they could have had anything from heavy infantry and light skirmishers to heavy and light cavalry.  In ancient times they were known to use swords (some of which may have been copied off the minoans or Philistines), spears, the Meshwesh sure had some distinguished spears (another native tribe of Libya), and chariots, that could have been carried over from Greece if that story of their origin is true and it is probable it could well be, or Egyptians.   

Iberia had many tribes:

Cantabrian - nw spain
Lustonian - sw iberia, basically much of modern portugal, or northern modern day portugal depending on which map or history you read.
Celt-Iberian - approximately Central Spain
Oretani - sw spain on the border with the new carthage settlement area not the city
Lacetani - ne spain, in and around modern day barcelona
Aquetani  ( or Iacetani) - north central spain along the pyrenese , and north and south of it
Carpetani - south central spain, south of the celt iberians
Calleci (or Gallici) - nw spain in the corner
Celtici - sw iberia (south of Lustonians)
Vettones - sw central spain, east of Lusitonians and west of carpetani
Turdetani - central south spain
Edetani - north of new carthage, western iberia
Bastetani - se spain, right outside the area around new carthage
Ilegetae - between Lacetani and Iacetani in north east spain
Baleares - Baleric Islands
Astures - between cantabri and Calleci nw spain
Vaccaei - south of astures


#5
There must be a way to distinguish Gallic Venetii from Italiae Veneti?  I know the Gallic Venetii gave the Romans a hard time, so they were a fairly major Gallic tribe, they also inspired Romans to change ship designs. 

The Garamantes, probably would be light and fast with high attack and low armor, but good large shields.  Average defense skill with little or no armor as well.

Numidians even lighter and faster, no armor, small shields, whether on foot or horseback.  High missile attack but low melee attack and defense comparatively.

All Magna Grecia factions would have very high armor good shields and at least good spear units with great attack and defense but would be a bit slower.  However, unless they are militia units, they would have fairly high staminas.

Celtic/Gallic Factions would be in general light, fast, with High attack, good defense skill but little or no armor.  They would perhaps have impetuous and or a war cry effect to boost attack.

Etruscans for the most part copied alot from their Greek traders, though did have some of their own cultural spin and a few fairly unique unit types to them.  So mostly the same type of hoplites with chariots and axmen.  They would also have access to some Roman and or Latin type units such as light swordsmen.
#6
Careful about the Veneti, it was the same name of a Major Gallic Tribe in Gaul (France).  It may do to do with out or just leave it as Boii for that region.  You can make up your own units or use other mods for inspirations. 

Boii no doubt had some good spearmen, though not as good as the Germanic people who arguably had the best.  In fact, Germany most likely translates from Old German for "Land of the Spear".  Boii probably had light cavalry and perhaps even chariots.  They could also have had one handed axmen with shields and good light skirmisher small spear throwers ( a very widely common style of fighting among the celtic people and thrace and germany for that matter).

Etrurians very likely had chariots so even if the Boii did not at first, they may well have copied and improved on the Etrurians.  Etruscans are often also said to have had archers, slingers, some small units of heavy horse and or bodyguards, axmen, hoplites.  Axman may have just had armor with no shields and have been 2 handed even.  A style likely copied from the old Minoans or Carians (who may well have in fact been Minoan settlers themselves).

If you plan to incorporate all subfactions that is a tall order.  Technically btw, the etrurians were roughly divided into 3 major factions.  Etruscans was known as Tyrrhēni to the latins (including Rome), and Tyrrhēnioi to the Greeks.  These names are still reflected today in some place names.

A Etrurian (in their own language it was Rasenna Dodecapoli (etrurian league fo 12 city states), or the name Etrurians called themselves) League comprised most of the better known major cities such as Veia, Celvsin, Aritim (Arrētium in latin), Perusna, Velch and others. 

Another League was the Campanian League.  This was arguably Etrurians becoming independent of the north or a mix of other peoples certifying their new freedom as the north lost influence. 

The third league was supposedly based in northern Italy, and may have been lead by either Arimna (Ariminum in latin) or Felsna.  It may have been simply called the Northern League.  It was north of the Dodecapoli.

You may also include perhaps Aequi, old enemies of Rome.  Perhaps they were even rival latins.  Though they may have not have been much if still around by this time. they were certain at one time a formidable Roman enemy.

There was also the Sabines, but like the Aequi may not have been around or enough numbers to add.  This is if you are considering all peoples to potentially add though.

Brennus, the leader of a celt tribe called the Senones, sacked Rome a little over 100 years earlier.  So they, if they were still around may have been another formidable people in Italy.

Croton may have Croton named version of what Tarantine has.  Such as Tarentine Cavalry (that being the exception since it was a popular horse unit type all over the Greek world), and hoplies.
#7
Roman Rebels may work fairly well too.  Since Rome had a few rebellions or civil wars (Marc Anthony/Octavian, Sulla, Spartacus, Pompey/Ceasar).
#8
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