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General Chatter - The Boozer / Re: Exilian Pub Out Of Context
« Last post by Jubal on March 01, 2024, 12:15:10 AM »
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Forum Games - The Beer Cellar! / Re: Word Association
« Last post by Jubal on February 29, 2024, 11:57:56 PM »
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Forum Games - The Beer Cellar! / Re: Word Association
« Last post by Glaurung on February 29, 2024, 11:03:36 PM »
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Anyways, I guess my point is that xenophobes who cry "Christian Constantinople is threatened by the oriental Islamic hordes!" never actually want to see more Ethiopian Christians or Syrian Christians in their country, so they don't really feel fellowship with all Christians.  And their inclusion of live Greeks or Neapolitans or Bulgarians in their imagined community is often provisional and tactical.
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Syrians and Egyptians before 1071 and arguably 1204 were mostly Orthodox Christians!
Well yes, I know that, but I think generally that fact gets ignored by most of these people, or gets written in with the usual "well there were Christians there then, and aren't Christians there now, so Christians should be able to take that land back really".

I think your points about Christianity and the ERE are very true - but you can also flip that on its head and say "Christianity and Rome are both the Good Pure Culture and the rest of the world betrayed Christianity and the West betrayed Rome, leaving only the purity of Byzantium to strive for" which is a position some people apparently hold.
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Forum Games - The Beer Cellar! / Re: Word Association
« Last post by Jubal on February 29, 2024, 07:57:29 PM »
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General Chatter - The Boozer / Re: February pub - 29th?
« Last post by Jubal on February 29, 2024, 07:34:24 PM »
Now running :)
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General Chatter - The Boozer / Re: February pub - 29th?
« Last post by dubsartur on February 29, 2024, 06:59:39 PM »
Got the message about the meeting but there are no mods yet
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Forum Games - The Beer Cellar! / Re: Word Association
« Last post by Glaurung on February 29, 2024, 05:38:01 PM »
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But Syrians and Egyptians before 1071 and arguably 1204 were mostly Orthodox Christians!  For a long time, Moslems were just a thin ruling class and Jews, Christians, Manicheans, Mandaeans, and so on provided most of the white-tunic professions.

This series of posts https://thonyc.wordpress.com/2024/01/24/from-%cf%84%e1%bd%b0-%cf%86%cf%85%cf%83%ce%b9%ce%ba%ce%ac-ta-physika-to-physics-xiv/ and Wiki on Ibn Butlan talk about one aspect

And of course when you get into it Protestant nuts don't think Catholics are really Christian, Catholic nuts don't think any of the Orthodox churches are really Christian, etc. - if you argue that Christianity Caused the Rise of the West, but the Eastern Roman Empire fell, its very tempting to argue that the Orthodox churches had something wrong with them.

And the appetite among PEGIDA types for "lets let in all the oppressed minorities of the Islamic world!  Palestinian Christians, Syrian Yazidis, Iranian Baha'i, as long as they are not Moslem we want them in our shops and our schools." seems basically zero.  Talky members might raise the idea as a gambit, but I can not imagine any Xenophobe Party franchise voting for it.
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