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Started by Jubal, April 21, 2012, 09:30:23 PM

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Pentagathus

That's pretty cool.

Clockwork

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Jubal

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Jubal

It is goodbye from him and goodbye from him :(
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Clockwork

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Jubal

Yay, rare and occasional good news :D
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Clockwork

Livingstone is a nazi and Corbyn is ok with that. Wow these guys are really 'for the people'. portugal whatever other political leanings you have, if you're in favour of relocating Jews from Israel like Khan, Livingstone and Corbyn then you're a portugaling fascist.
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Jubal

Yeah there's a real antisemitism problem in parts of the British left. People like Galloway and Livingstone just have a historical blindness that is worrying to see. It's a problem my party has to some extent too with people like David Ward, though it seems to be much more widespread and unpleasant on Labour's left and the hard left. I agree though - whilst I'm not sure Israel in its current constitutional form is going to remain a stable prospect geopolitically, any solution has to absolutely recognise the rights of Israelis to stay in their homes and be free of persecution.

Assuming you mean Sadiq Khan, though, I'm pretty sure he's said nothing indicating he's in favour of that? I don't think Corbyn has either, though he's certainly not been tough enough to admit the existence of the problem and I think his presence and his rather dodgy history with some anti-semites may be emboldening Labour's anti-semites so he badly needs to crack down on them.
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Pentagathus

It was Nasz Shah (think that's her name) who was suspended for antisemitic Facebook posts and whom Ken Livingstone was defending, maybe that's who clockwork meant? Interestingly her local synagogue actually seemed to be mildly supportive of her, from what I've heard it sounds like she used to genuinely believe some of the crazy antisemitic conspiracy theories, but maybe she actually has changed her opinion since then. I'd say its highlighting the problem of antisemitism within Islamic communities as much (if not more, probably more) than within the left. I suspect it makes me a tremendous racist to say such things though. Oh well.
Ken Livingstone does seem to be pretty nuts, I'm not sure if he actually is antisemitic or if he just gets confused about the armadillo he comes out with. He really doesn't seem great at being a politician either way.

Not particularly newsworthy, but since we're on this subject I might as well mention there were some allegations of antisemitism against the new NUS president. It sounded more like people were confusing anti Israel sentiment with antisemitism to me but I couldn't be bothered to look into it much further because who the portugal cares about the NUS.

Jubal

Livingstone is a bit past it I think. Hopefully Shah will learn from past mistakes. I think a lot of people on the left are very confused about Israel/Palestine, and lump Israel in as a "colonial oppressor" which is a poisonous way of looking at a situation that's much, much more complex than that. London politics in particular seems to be currently involving dog-whistle antisemitism from leftists like Galloway and Livingstone opposed by dog-whistle Islamophobia from the Tories. It's grim.

Some of the things Malia Bouattia has said were anti-Semitic, I think - not high-level explicit anti-Semitism but definitely borderline at best, using tropes like complaining about the "Zionist media" which are dog-whistle terms that date back to the old fascist lie of a global Jewish conspiracy. I don't think they were unforgiveable statements, but at the very, very least for someone in an office like that she should have been able to recognise that she said the wrong thing, why it was wrong, etc - instead she just got very defensive. I feel like anyone who alienates Jewish students as much and as fast as she has is probably not well suited to a job like NUS president.
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comrade_general

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36200481?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

Only posting because it sort of reminded me of the Klingon thing and also it's a giant 'up yours' to Apple. ;D


Clockwork

He's a pretty cool guy, don't take no armadillo from nobody.
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Pentagathus

Good news everyone! Shrooms are good for you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36247599