Alright, I hope you all know what units you want out of the mod, more than likely we will agree and see eye to eye on most units. Basically in the OP I will have a list of every vanilla faction (with the name of the faction that they will turn into in parenthesis) and their units. Then using the wonderful
Strikethrough editor we will cross out any unit who is unworthy of RTR! I might include a *note on certain units depending on how this goes.
Rules/Things to know:
1.Peasants MAY have to stay in due to a revolt CTD bug that RTRPE experienced by deleting peasant units. There may be a way around this if we moved the worst infantry unit of each faction to be recruited by the governor's house, it will require testing.
2. DO NOT post anything regarding new units. This thread is specifically for which units stay in and which get thrown out. Another thread will be created regarding new units when this thread has fulfilled it's purpose.
3. Suggestions to change unit names and recruitment are allowed though, since many units have wrong names and recruitment in vanilla.
Check this thread regularly for updates, I'll try to post all the factions up ASAP. For now let's start with Egypt.
Egypt (The Ptolemaic Empire)Peasants
Nubian Spearmen - Stays in. Will be an AOR unit later
Nile Spearmen
Desert Axemen
Pharaoh's Guard
Slingers - I think they should stay, unless historical evidence goes against it
Skirmishers - Stay, Native auxiliaries
Bowmen
Pharaoh's Bowmen
Desert Cavalry
Nubian Cavalry - Did the Nubians have cavalry? If so, same as Nubian Infantry
Nile Cavalry
Camel Archers - Camels were not used in warfare at this time (unless someone has evidence)
Egyptian Chariots
Egyptian Charot Archers
Egyptian Chariot General
Egyptian Cavalry General
Onagers - Keep Onagers in game or no? As far as I know, only Rome used them and it was later during the Empire.
Heavy Onagers
Julii, Brutii, Scipii, Senate (The Roman Republic)Peasants
Town Watch - Should be named Vigiles and only recruitable after Marian Reforms
Hastati
Principes
Triarii
Auxilia
Early Legionary Cohort
Early Legionary First Cohort
Legionary Cohort - No reason for them
Legionary First Cohort - No Reason for them
Praetorian Cohort Was more of a political group than anything
Urban Cohort A unit that is not necessary
Arcani
Samnite Gladiators - Rebels Only
Mirmillo Gladiators - Rebels Only
Velite Gladiators - Rebels Only
Velites
Light Auxilia
Roman Archers - Should be called Sagitarii and made an AOR unit for Rome
Archer Auxilia
Equites
Cavalry Auxilia
Roman Cavalry - Should be named to Alae Cavalry or something similar
Legionary Cavalry
Praetorian Cavalry
War Dogs
Incendiary Pigs
Roman General - Needs model changed to Equites model
Armoured Roman General
Ballistas
Repeating Ballistas
Scorpions Cause a siege Bug where AI will not be able to do anything except sit outside the wall.
Onagers - Don't know if they were used enough to keep in
Heavy Onagers
The Auxilia units should have an AOR. For example Cavalry Auxilia should not be able to be recruited in Gaul but in Syria or Numidia.
Carthage (The Republic of Carthage)Peasants
Town Militia
Iberian Infantry - AOR limited to Iberia Only; Rename to Caetrati Infantry?
Libyan Spearmen - AOR limited to North Africa Only
Poeni Infantry - AOR limited to Punic Cities Only
Sacred Band - AOR limited to Carthage Only
Slingers - Necessary?
Skirmishers - Necessary?
Round Shield Cavalry - AOR limited to Iberia; Rename to Iberian Light Cavalry
Long Shield Cavalry - AOR limited to Africa; Rename to Libyan Cavalry
Sacred Band Cavalry - AoR limited to Carthage Only
General's Bodyguard
General's Armoured Bodyguard
Elephants
War Elephants
Armoured Elephants - Any proof of these existing?
Onagers
Heavy Onagers
Macedon (The Antigonid Kingdom)Peasants
Militia Hoplites - Levy Hoplites
Levy Pikemen - Deuteroi
Phalanx Pikemen - Pezhetairoi
Royal Pikemen - Asthetairoi
Peltasts
Archers
Light Lancers - Sarissophoroi
Greek Cavalry - Prodromoi
Macedonian Cavalry - Xystophoroi
Companion Cavalry
General's Bodyguard
General's Armoured Bodyguard
Ballistas
Onagers
Heavy Onagers
Seleucids (The Seleucid Empire)Peasants
Militia Hoplites - Levy Hoplites
Levy Pikemen - Deuteroi
Phalanx Pikemen - Pezhetairoi
Silver Shield Pikemen - Agyraspides
Silver Shield Legionaries - Thorakitai?
Peltasts
Archers
Militia Cavalry - Hippokontasai (something like that haha)
Greek Cavalry - Prodromoi
Companion Cavalry
Cataphracts
Scythed Chariots
General's Bodyguard
General's Armoured Bodyguard
Elephants
War Elephants
Armoured Elephants
Onagers
Greeks (The Greek City States)Peasants
Militia Hoplites - Levy Hoplites
Hoplites
Armoured Hoplites - Elite Hoplites
Spartan Hoplites
Peltasts
Archers
Heavy Peltasts - Thureophoroi
Militia Cavalry - Hippakontasai
Greek Cavalry - Prodromoi
Incendiary Pigs
General's Bodyguard
General's Armoured Bodyguard
Ballistas
Onagers
Heavy Onagers
Parthia (Parthians)Peasants
Eastern Infantry - Sparabara; should be AOR unit
Hillmen - Should be AOR unit
Slingers
Archers
Horse Archers
Persian Horse Archers - Parthian Horse Archers
Cataphracts
Camel Cataphracts
Eastern General
Armoured Eastern General
War Elephants - Only recruitable in India as AOR
Onagers
Pontus (The Kingdom of Pontus)Peasants
Eastern Infantry - Sparabara; should be an AOR unit
Hillmen - Should be an AOR unit
Phalanx Pikemen - Pezoi
Bronze Shield Pikemen - Chalkaspides
Peltasts
Archers
Pontic Light Cavalry - Eastern Light Cavalry
Pontic Heavy Cavalry - Eastern Cavalry
Cappadocian Cavalry - Should be limited to Cappadocia only
Scythed Chariots
Chariot Archers - Yes or no??
Eastern General
Armoured Eastern General
Onagers
Armenia (The Kingdom of Armenia)Peasants
Eastern Infantry - Sparabara; Should be an AOR unit
Hillmen - Should be an AOR unit
Heavy Spearmen
Armenian Legionaries - Imitation Legionaries
Peltasts
Archers
Horse Archers
Cataphract Archers
Cataphracts
Eastern General
Eastern Armoured General
Onagers
NumidiaPeasants
Desert Infantry - Should Be an Arabian Unit not Numidian
Numidian Legionaries - Imitation Legionaries
Numidian Javelinmen
Slingers
Archers
Numidian Cavalry
Numidian Camel Riders
Long Shield Cavalry - Numidian Noble Cavalry? Same unit is used by Spain and Carthage..
General's Bodyguard
General's Armoured Bodyguard
Onagers
Gaul (Gauls)Barbarian Peasants
Warband
Swordsmen
Chosen Swordsmen
Naked Fanatics - Gaesetae
Druids - Could act as an officer accompanying troops into battle Will be made an ancillary
Barbarian Cavalry
Barbarian Noble Cavalry
War Hounds
Barbarian Warlord
Barbarian Chosen Warlord
Britons (Celtic Tribes)Barbarian Peasants
Warband
Swordsmen
Chosen Swordsmen
Woad Warriors - Should be limited to Britain only
Druids - Could be an officer accompanying troops into battle Will be made an ancillary
Slingers
Head Hurlers
War Hounds
British Light Chariots - Britain AOR Only; Britannic Chariots (needs javelinmen instead of archers)
British Heavy Chariots
Barbarian Warlord - Will need to be changed to a cavalry unit
Germans (Germans)Barbarian Peasants
Screeching Women - Could be officer that accompanies the units on the battlefield since German Women attended battles
Berserkers - Historical or not?
Night Raiders - Historical or not?
Axemen
Chosen Axemen - Historical or not?
Spear Warband
Naked Fanatics - Gaul Only
Skirmisher Warband
Chosen Archer Warband - Huntsmen or something better
War Hounds
Barbarian Cavalry
Barbarian Noble Cavalry
Gothic Cavalry - Better Name?
Barbarian Warlord
Barbarian Chosen Warlord
Dacia (Geto-Dacians)Barbarian Peasants
Warband
Chosen Swordsmen
Falxmen
Naked Fanatics - Gaul Only
Archer Warband
Chosen Archer Warband - Huntsmen or Better Name
War Hounds
Barbarian Cavalry
Barbarian Noble Cavalry
Barbarian Warlord
Barbarian Chosen Warlord
Ballistas
Onagers
Scythia (Sarmatians)Barbarian Peasants
Axemen
Archer Warband
Chosen Archer Warband
War Hounds
Barbarian Cavalry
Scythian Horse Archers - Sarmatian Horse Archers; AOR to Steppes Only
Scythian Nobles - Sarmatian Nobles
Scythian Noble Archers - Sarmatian Noble Archers
Scythian Noble Women
Head Hunting Maidens
Barbarian Warlord
Barbarian Chosen Warlord
Onagers
Spain (Iberians)Peasants
Town Militia
Iberian Infantry - Caetrati Infantry
Scutarii
Bull Warriors
Naked Fanatics - Gaul Only
Slingers
Skirmishers
Round Shield Cavalry - Iberian Light Cavalry
Long Shield Cavalry - Iberian Cavalry
General's Bodyguard
General's Armoured Bodyguard
Onagers
Thrace (Illyrians)Peasants
Militia Hoplites - Yes or No?
Phalanx Pikemen
Bastarnae - AOR Unit
Falxmen
Peltasts
Archers
Militia Cavalry
Greek Cavalry - Ippiko
General's Bodyguard
General's Armoured Bodyguard
Onagers
Rebels &
MercenariesPeasants (All Cultures)
Barbarian Peasants
Town Watch
Town Militia
Eastern Infantry - Sparabara
Warband
Militia Hoplites - Levy Hoplites
Iberian Infantry - Caetrati Infantry
Druids
Hastati
Naked Fanatics - Gaesetae
Samnite Gladiators
Mirmillo Gladiators
Velite Gladiators
Judean Zealots
Skirmishers (Egypt)
Skirmishers (Iberia)
Numidian Javelinmen
Peltasts
Velites
Heavy Peltasts - Thureophoroi
Bowmen
Archers (Eastern)
Archer Warband
Round Shield Cavalry - Iberian Light Cavalry
Greek Cavalry - Prodromoi
Barbarian Cavalry
Equites
Long Shield Cavalry - Iberian Cavalry
British Heavy Chariots - Britannic Chariots
Barbarian Noble Cavalry
Pontic Heavy Cavalry - Eastern Cavalry
Egyptian Chariots
Militia Cavalry - Hippakontasai or whatever it is
Horse Archers
Scythian Horse Archers - Sarmatian Horse Archers
Numdian Cavalry
Amazon Chariots
General's Bodyguard (Greek)
General's Bodyguard (Carthage)
Rebel General (Roman)
Rebel General (Eastern)
Rebel General (Barbarian)
Barbarian Warlord
Egyptian Chariot General
Thracian Mercenaries
Cilician Pirates
Samnite Mercenaries
Spanish Mercenaries - Iberian Mercenaries
Barbarian Mercenaries
Eastern Mercenaries
Mercenary Hoplites
Bastarnae Mercenaries
Libyan Mercenaries
Mercenary Peltasts - Mercenary Thureophoroi
Illyrian Mercenaries
Rhodian Slingers
Balearic Slingers
Cretan Archers
Arab Cavalry
Bedouin Warriors
Barbarian Cavalry Mercenaries
Sarmatian Mercenaries
Scythian Mercenaries
Numidian Mercenaries
Bedouin Archers
Mercenary War Elephants