Discussion: Economy/Government/Population Growth

[Bercor]

I think that's an amazing idea, Mausolos.

[Mausolos of Caria]

Thanks  We need someone who knows if this can be implemented, though. Same with my idea for the governor traits- I'm a creative mind, but I need other people to realise my ideas 

[Bercor]

I'm pretty sure both ideas can be made, especially the governor's traits idea, since RTW uses the same trait system as MTW2.

[The Sloth]

Well, this is pretty much the way we're headed already, right? Since the more civilized areas of the map have much more settlements, and every one of them can be developed much further, we need some trick for barbarians to stay competitive. Cutting their expenditures is the most logical way to do this.
And as for barbarians eyeing the riches of civilization... there is no need for them to even hold civilized settlements. With my traits, I can make it so that they recieve some hideous amounts of cash whenever they raze a well-populated city. We could basically create a role-playing experience for the barbarian player where he comes back every two decades or so to "milk" those decadent idiots...

[Mausolos of Caria]

Yes that's probably right and I think overall it will improve the realism and immersion.

Using traits to give more sense to looting sounds like a very good idea, thus plundering would really enrichen you as a Barbarian faction and present a viable option. The only question would be, if the AI can handle it.

[ahowl11]

I like all of these ideas guys, original

[Alavaria]

Well, this is pretty much the way we're headed already, right? Since the more civilized areas of the map have much more settlements, and every one of them can be developed much further, we need some trick for barbarians to stay competitive. Cutting their expenditures is the most logical way to do this.
And as for barbarians eyeing the riches of civilization... there is no need for them to even hold civilized settlements. With my traits, I can make it so that they recieve some hideous amounts of cash whenever they raze a well-populated city. We could basically create a role-playing experience for the barbarian player where he comes back every two decades or so to "milk" those decadent idiots...

Hmm, this sounds like a recipe for a hilarious barbarian faction breaking out and just blitzing across the map like a train on steroids, killing off  AIs along the way, or basically crippling them, which means when you hit the end of the map there's only going to be a few lame AI factions left.


Please note that if the barbarians are supposed to have cheaper buildings, any shared buildings will have to be made into separate ones, and you would be stuck in the case of farms, government building, mines, roads, ports which cannot be made into two separate trees.

[Mausolos of Caria]

Your last point indeed seems to be a problem. It's not possible to give a certain faction a certain bonus, like on STW2 or R2?

[The Sloth]

Hmm, this sounds like a recipe for a hilarious barbarian faction breaking out and just blitzing across the map like a train on steroids, killing off  AIs along the way, or basically crippling them, which means when you hit the end of the map there's only going to be a few lame AI factions left.


Please note that if the barbarians are supposed to have cheaper buildings, any shared buildings will have to be made into separate ones, and you would be stuck in the case of farms, government building, mines, roads, ports which cannot be made into two separate trees.

Well, like I said, we need something to make barbarians the constant danger they historically were. The only time I have ever seen a barbarian faction achieve anything of note was with EB's Lusotannans. It has always rubbed me the wrong way that these factions' only purpose seems to be being conquered.
The details are of course subject to balancing. But I would certainly love an opportunity to conduct raids like barbarians historically did: the Celts in Italy and Greece, the Germans in Gaul and Italy...

As for the building costs, that is no problem at all. Construction discounts are a normal bonus for buildings, even if they don't show up in the building info.

[xeofox]

Comrades PLease! See the table "the illusion from nomadism to  urbanization" and write your opinion.
http://exilian.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2938.50

[ahowl11]

Yeah, let's discuss this. How can we simulate this? Especially for Parthia as they need to start off as nomadic

[Mausolos of Caria]

Can someone explain the daft German what this means and how it is supposed to work?    How is this a transition from nomadic to urban culture?

[Bercor]

The sharp Portuguese doesn't understand it either...

[xeofox]

Nomadism is an illusion! There's not a building but simply actions.

[ahowl11]

Oh I see, so something like EB?