History/Research: The Peoples of the Steppe

[xeofox]

syrdaria and amurdaria ... River as difficult for the border (in the game) and CONTINGENT regions. Real borders do not exist for the nomads.

[xeofox]

Massagetan monuments there and Ustiurt (Eastern Caspian)
...mixed with Sarmatian monuments

[ahowl11]

I'm liking the knowledge that you are providing us! It will be very useful!
Did the Massagetae and Saka tribes raid the Seleucid and Bactrian settlements a lot?
Also what about the Parni and Dahae?

[xeofox]

http://fotohost.kz/images/2014/02/25/H8hon.jpg
Map of Kazakhstan. The early iron age. (Great Atlas of Kazakstan) for the first time on the Internet.
Settlements of Saka period marked by green color. (...аnd after Saka and Sarmatians will try the Dahae, Parni- If they are in the game. )
   
        
dahi formed Saka's Union of tribes. If everything is simplified (in our mod), it be under the criterion of "saka tribes" or "Saka -massagetskie tribes".

[ahowl11]

Parni will be a main faction since they will be the Parthians.

[xeofox]

   
If we choose a more complicated mod version, then we can divide the tribes and unions of Sakas  on the mod map.
Let's make a list of the tribes in the steppes of Central Asia for our mod.

[xeofox]

Eurasia in the middle of the 2nd century BC




*Parthia III bc

[xeofox]

 Map from the book "Treasures of the Usturt and Mangistau" 2007. market by red  monuments list (#12-23  (V-II bc)) of the early iron age ("strange", barrows and sanctuary) but no settlements. Purple is insufficiently known area.

[Mausolos of Caria]

Some good resources there... maybe you can add some comments to the maps in Cyrillic? While I can read it thanks to having had many years of Ancient Greek in school and Russian classmates, ahowl will probably sitting at home scratching his head 

And note that I mean ''read'', not ''understand'' But on a map like that it is useful enough to be able to read ''Choresm'' on it for example.

[xeofox]

Ok. The map will do in the Latin alphabet. 
Let's get with needed tribes. What we need from a    
scenario of companies. For example: Parni from dahae will attack Parthia?! What interests us in the chronology in this region?
1. Dahae (as the basis of the Parni)?!
2. Parni (war with Parthia)?!
3. ...

Let's discuss. After that we will be able to make the border more clearly (but the nomads do not have clear boundaries )

[xeofox]

or ... Suggest making the event table Saka-Massagetae, Dahae, Parni. And from this table insert in the scenario (for example Parphia)  the most important events. after that ...games map 

[xeofox]

maps from book "AN HISTORICAL ATLAS OF CENTRAL ASIA" by YURI BREGEL
BRILL LEIDEN •BOSTON 2003


to massagetae we surely can use two settlements 36 and 40

[xeofox]

Lets review several variants for maps:
The first variant is the most simple:

Here are all merged into a single border Saka with the massagetae.
Dahae separately (although consisted of the same Saka and massagetae).

the second variant:
   оr   
Here the massagetae were separated border

    
and the third variant (difficult, but closer to the historical):

Wusun in the middle of the 2 century BC, from the East and seeking to seize territory (modern name Zhetysu)


*We can make a small area of the parni in southern borders of Dahae. Or whether the Dahae in the time attack will be called the Parni province (for example, 247 BC)


    
In my opinion: this variant is optimized for games



*Oops, mistake. "sarmarian" read as "sarmaTians"

[xeofox]

As mentioned earlier: it is difficult to draw boundaries of nomadic tribes.  it is depending on the features of the company.
Politics of Saka, Dahae Parni, Massagetae, must be peaceful, there may be minor skirmishes. With the Sarmatians, neutral relations, minor border skirmishes. Small forays into Parthia, Bactria.
Two serious:
Dahae (Parni) doing battle on Parthia (middle of 3 century BC)
Wusun (if they are will be in the game) then in the middle of the 2 century BC they appear on East land and resistant Saka grip.

[ahowl11]

Sarmatians will be their own faction, Parni will be the Parthians and be their own faction. Massagetes and Saka will be represented by the Independent Peoples. We can have Parthia start out at war with them and they would need to subdue the Dahae before attacking the Seleucid Empire