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US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« on: February 02, 2020, 09:21:57 PM »
Here we go again...

There are as of now six or seven vaguely serious candidates running to be POTUS: updates will be made as the contest develops.

In the Red corner, the presumptive Republican nominee is of course incumbent president Donald Trump. A few primary challengers have declared: Businessman and perennial presidential candidate Rocky de la Fuente of California, former Massachussetts governor and former libertarian VP nominee Bill Weld, and talk radio host Joe Walsh, but they are not expected to mount any serious challenge and some states have even cancelled their nominating contests.

The Democrats meanwhile have a serious contest underway, with the first contest being the Iowa Caucuses on Monday. The most serious remaining candidates are centrist former vice-president Joe Biden, progressive-wing senator Elizabeth Warren, democratic socialist senator Bernie Sanders, and centrist mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Pete Buttigeig. Also still worth noting are Minnesota senator Amy Klobuchar, a moderate, Tom Steyer, a lefty billionaire, Michael Bloomberg, former NYC mayor and centrist billionaire, and Andrew Yang, a tech entrepreneur and Universal Basic Income advocate. Bloomberg may weirdly start featuring later in the race - he's skipping the early states and chucking money at ads in states that vote in March, which is... an interesting play and we'll see how it works out for him, as the meme goes.

From smaller parties, no major independent challengers have declared. The Libertarian nominee will be decided at the main party convention later this year in Texas, not by primary voters - the only one so far, in New Hampshire, managed to give the state's support to Vermin Supreme, a man with a boot on his head who presumably will not get nominated, but who knows. More plausible Libertarian nominees are former Rhode Island governor Lincoln Chafee, only state-level Libertarian legislator Max Abramson of New Hampshire, and John MacAfee of antivirus software and running away from Caribbean states' police forces fame.

For the Greens, co-founder of the party Howie Hawkins of New York seems by far the most likely nominee, though Dario Hunter, an activist from Youngstown, OH, will challenge him, along with possibly some other candidates: Hawkins seems to have significantly out-fundraised his opponents though.

The only other party with notable ballot access as far as my limited research has found is the Constitution Party, a hard-right party who seem likely to run former coal exec Don Blankenship, a man whose "controversies" Wikipedia article section is half the page and includes the death of 29 of his miners through negligence, as their candidate in 14 states.

Also of course there are things going on beyond the presidential race, including Senate and House elections. Democrats will need to flip the Senate to actually get anything done, but they have precious few good targets available beyond Maine and Colorado, and are likely to lose their seat in Alabama - they need to gain four net seats to flip the chamber, or three if they gain the presidency (vice-president gets the casting vote). They'll also be looking to hold their 2018 House gains, which should mostly be do-able, but it depends on the political climate in November a lot.

So, buckle in and we'll see where we end up!
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2020, 07:07:30 PM »
Its so weird to think that just the election of candidates for president will last until ?June?  And do all the states have the rule that if a candidate at a meeting gets less than 15% of the votes, their supporters have to pick someone else?

Andrew Gelman the "Rich State, Poor State, Red State, Blue State" guy visited my town.  His talk was kind of rambling- I would guess he was jetlagged and just belted out Lecture Number 963- and I did not have a chance to ask some hard questions about how the US system is specially designed to allow all that weird analysis of who vegetarian suburban women under 40 support https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/  In Canada there are not the same serious parties in Quebec three elections running!

That said, its worth studying how much of US federal elections you can predict by "rich states lean Democratic, rich people lean Republican, people vote for the incumbent if the economy is doing well and against him if its going badly, the minority of voters without a clear party affiliation tend to vote to divide the federal government between parties."
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2020, 07:37:56 PM »
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And do all the states have the rule that if a candidate at a meeting gets less than 15% of the votes, their supporters have to pick someone else?
No, that's a rule that can only operate in caucuses - most states use primary ballots. I think all the states in the Democrat primaries have some sort of 15% threshold, but in ones that don't have caucuses, if your candidate drops below that then it's a wasted vote. On the GOP side, they don't have thresholds but also some states are Winner Takes All, whereas none of the Dem ones are. If I'm remembering right. Yes, this is a horribly complicated system.

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That said, its worth studying how much of US federal elections you can predict by "rich states lean Democratic, rich people lean Republican, people vote for the incumbent if the economy is doing well and against him if its going badly, the minority of voters without a clear party affiliation tend to vote to divide the federal government between parties."
Yeah, that's broadly true, though there's a lot of complex reasoning behind how the state by state leans have ended up where they are (which IMO is worth noting because it can affect where they end up in future and what the trends are - there are definitely big shifts e.g. midwest moving away from the Democrats and sunbelt states moving toward them over time).



Meanwhile first general update can be summed up as "what the hell is going on":

  • We don't know who won the Democratic primary in Iowa, the stupid system was worsened by an app failure. The general consensus emerging is that Sanders won the popular vote, and did about as well as expected, Buttigeig came a close second and did much better than expected, Warren came a workable third and Biden came a bad fourth.
  • This was the first time that voters were allowed to vote outside the USA in the Iowa caucus. There was indeed a caucus in the Caucasus, consisting of about 2 people and held in Tbilisi.
  • Trump easily won the GOP caucuses in Iowa with 97% of the vote. This led to Tea Party hard-right wing challenger Joe Walsh (who got around 1%) dropping out, and rather surprisingly going on TV to tell people to vote for literally any Democrat over Trump, saying that he felt the GOP had become a cult. This leaves Bill Weld as Trump's remaining gadfly challenger.
  • There have been a lot of arguments over qualification rules for the Democrats' Nevada debate after the party dropped the grassroots donor numbers requirement - this had caused several candidates issues earlier in the race, and its being dropped was seen as being a boost for Mike Bloomberg, who as a billionaire is funding his own campaign.
  • The 538 projections have become very bullish for Sanders after Iowa - he's expected to win New Hampshire, which neighbours his home state, and probably also heavily unionised Nevada - this may give him the momentum to go on and win the nomination with three state wins under his belt, especially as the rest of the field is extremely split (and the centrist part of it especially so).
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2020, 12:41:15 PM »
Gods only know what's happening. Sanders is now the front runner, but with a small overall base, having won NH and (arguably) Iowa. Klobuchar did well enough in NH to not drop out, Warren is still in there though without much of an obvious path (although she's arguably the best compromise option at a contested convention), Biden is still hoping to kick start his campaign again in South Carolina, Buttigeig has as many delegates as Sanders but his base isn't diverse enough to compete in the upcoming states, and Bloomberg is trying to buy the entire race and has basically purchased fifteen percent of the Democrat primary electorate which is a staggering figure. Tom Steyer is sticking around for, uh, some reason, too. The "UBI Guy" Andrew Yang is out, as are Michael Bennet and Deval Patrick.

This is all pretty perfect for Sanders, who could win pretty big against split opposition since Warren appears not to be a big threat to him thus far (though she is running third in delegate total). But also, it's big time contested convention fuel. Let's see how much of a mess things get as they go on...



On the GOP side, Joe Walsh, the more right wing of the president's challengers, unurprisingly dropped out and more surprisingly endorsed literally any Democrat to beat Trump. So far Bill Weld has one delegate, from Iowa, and none from New Hampshire. Trump has over 100 delegates already, both from dominating the two primaries so far and from states cancelling their primaries in order to just bind their delegates directly to him.

On the Libertarian front, as well as New Hampshire's Vermin Supreme win, Iowa's caucuses put Jacob Hornberger as the winner with 47% of the votes. Hornberger is president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, a conservative-libertarian think tank that suggests it want to return the US to a 19th century state of rejecting, "income taxation, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, public schooling, economic regulations, immigration controls, drug laws, gun control, paper money, the Federal Reserve, overseas empire, militarism, entangling alliances, and foreign wars". Note that Libertarian primaries are indicative - they do not select delegates, and so the convention can AIUI just ignore them. Nonetheless, Hornberger's strong win may suggest his campaign for the Libertarian nomination actually has some legs. He previously ran in the rather odd US senate election in Virginia in 2002, the last in that state to be won by the GOP - in which the Democrats failed to field a candidate, and the Republican got 80% of the vote. Hornberger came third and last with 7% in that race, running as an independent.

On Feb 22 the Green primaries kick off in Georgia, so we'll see how things go there. My USGP contact suggests that there's a real split/no love lost between the seemingly dominant Hawkins campaign and those of the other candidates, so we'll see how that goes.
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2020, 08:26:43 PM »
Nevada apparently did in quite a big way. Really emphatic Sanders victory there. National totals now at Sanders 34, Buttigeig 22, Warren & Biden 8, Klobuchar 7. 538 think Sanders now has a nearly 50/50 chance of getting a majority of delegates, and  a 2/3 or so chance of getting a plurality of them. South Carolina is next, Biden is staking a lot on it to try and rejuvenate his campaign, as is Tom Steyer. I think Steyer will likely be next to drop out, since I'm fairly sure he'll come third or worse there. Klobuchar may leave soon as well. Bloomberg is falling back heavily in forecasts after his bad Nevada debate performance (whereas conversely Warren's good performance in that debate has given her a whole bunch more cash to invest).

Meanwhile, on the GOP side the Nevada GOP just cancelled their caucuses and had the state's Republican leadership sit in a room and agree to give Trump all the delegates.

The next Libertarian contest is in Minnesota, on Tuesday, with eight caucus sites across the state. The Green nomination convention in Georgia is supposed to have happened, but all I can find out is a post on their Facebook page saying that the convention passed a "women's sex-based rights" motion (which for those who don't know is dogwhistle for "we hate transgender people here").
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2020, 11:58:20 AM »
Klob is also gone, and they're both on the Biden wagon - presumably a mix of not liking Sanders ideologically and being after administration jobs if Biden wins. Steyer also put but that campaign was weird.

I'm usually wrong about predictions but I think there are three actual candidates left now - Biden, Warren, Sanders. And Warren only wins via a contested convention if she improves her position and starts looking like the unity candidate between the Sanders and Biden camps. I can't see Bloomberg doing well in the mid run.
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2020, 03:41:12 PM »
You can really tell it's a vanity run, because if he wanted to win he'd just have thrown money at someone more credible (literally any of the other candidates) and they might be winning right now. But yeah, I'm very glad he's going to fail.
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2020, 01:45:51 PM »
Yup. I'm now expecting Biden vs Trump in the general. With Biden winning Maine and Massachusetts, I don't think Bernie can outrun him unless he really crushes it in the Midwest. I think either Sanders or Biden will be hard to unite the Dems behind properly too - they needed someone more able to bridge the gap between the centrists and the new left. That said, Trump is unpopular enough that it'll still be an even fight. And who knows what else could happen between now and November (especially with all the candidates being old enough that they don't have fantastic remaining life expectancies - I don't honestly know what happens if a party nominates a candidate and they die before the election).
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2020, 07:32:18 PM »
I'm glad Bloomberg got utterly destroyed. Warren is out now too, which could potentially help Bernie by not having a split vote between the progressives. Also the fact that buttgieg dropped out and endorsed Biden stinks to me, Biden seems so anti the entire platform the dude stood on.
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2020, 12:10:55 PM »
Battle of the septuagenerian white blokes is on, I guess. :/ Buttigeig is clearly after a senior Biden admin position to set himself up for a future run. I'm sorry to see Warren go, she made some bad errors, especially over the Native American heritage stuff, but I think she was likely the best potential person to actually run a country left in the race. Of the remaining people I hope Sanders wins, but I don't expect him to.

I think Biden is now the most likely person to be president at the start of next year, by the evidence - but not by much. Trump has I think consolidated his base popularity since last election, but whilst that might solidify some states in his camp, he's done it at the expense of putting off a fair number of swing voters and Dems have solidified more against him. The current state seems to be that Biden or Sanders would go into a general campaign with about a five point lead, which is enough for a narrow win. That means Trump needs to pull back support, but not thaaat much of it, and Biden and Sanders have bulging folders of past statements that the GOP can drop ads against. Also GOP super PACs etc will look to exploit the Biden/Sanders split to hold down turnout, which will probably be more important than swing voters - most people have really strong opinions on Trump already.

Crucially, the five key swing states (Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida) look like they're all marginally more GOP leaning than the nation, so Trump can probably win the election as long as he doesn't lose the national vote by more than 2-3 points (I think he's unlikely to win the popular vote unless the Dems massively implode). Of course lots could happen between now and then, but I think those five states are the ones to watch - like, if Biden's taking Ohio or Iowa he's going to have won by a mile, and if Trump's threatening any Dem state he didn't take last time then he's won by a mile, so those are the tipping points.



For the Greens, Hunter has a delegate lead now and won Ohio, California, and North Carolina, but is well under half the delegates. Both Dario Hunter and Dennis Lambert got delegates from the OH and CA primaries, as did Sedinam Moyowasifza-Curry in California. For the Libertarians, Hornberger is winning most states, but often with low vote shares against a very split field. Libertarian primaries don't allocate delegates, so they're only indicative votes - I think he's increasingly the obvious front runner though. Amusingly, in the North Carolina Libertarian primary "No Preference" won by a mile.
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2020, 01:38:16 PM »
Wow, Elizabeth Warren is out. 

It was weird listening to the Economist podcast talk about candidate Saunders and his "radical, uncompromising" policies where the ones listed were enacted decades ago in many jurisdictions.  Since these days a president basically gives speeches and bosses the military and the civil service unless all three elected arms of government end up under one party for two years, someone who is a bit of an outlier within a party might not be so bad, but 78 is quite old for such a demanding job.

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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2020, 06:13:44 PM »
Has anyone been following what Biden says he would do if he won the nomination and then the election?

If the old-media commentariat and democratic party establishment get a second "change nothing" candidate for president, and lose a second time, that will be interesting to watch from a safe distance, say the orbit of Mars.

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2020, 10:35:47 PM »
After last night it looks pretty impossible to stop Biden, who hammered Sanders in Michigan, indicating that basically the Midwest is going to join the South in going Biden, the Northeast is largely going to be Biden outside of NH and Vermont, and Sanders is really only strong in the West.

IIRC Biden does have quite a detailed range of policy platforms: it's just inching further along the same lines as Obama-era stuff, probably a bit more heavy duty on climate change than Obama was. I'm expecting the platform to shift at the convention too - he'll want to give the party left something to try and keep them on board. (I also think that "what he says he would do" isn't that relevant to whether he's a change candidate in narrative terms or not - Clinton's platform was noticeably further left if one actually read it than anyone seems to remember at this point.
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2020, 10:57:04 PM »
Worth noting that if Covid-19 gets really bad later in the year... the data from Europe suggest that it tends to hit older people much worse. And you have three guys in their late seventies running round and doing loads of rallies and fundraisers. Anyone know what happens in a presidential election if neither candidate makes it to election day alive? Do you just elect their veep nominees?
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Re: US Politics & Presidential Election 2020
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2020, 12:21:55 PM »
IIRC Biden does have quite a detailed range of policy platforms: it's just inching further along the same lines as Obama-era stuff, probably a bit more heavy duty on climate change than Obama was. I'm expecting the platform to shift at the convention too - he'll want to give the party left something to try and keep them on board. (I also think that "what he says he would do" isn't that relevant to whether he's a change candidate in narrative terms or not - Clinton's platform was noticeably further left if one actually read it than anyone seems to remember at this point.
I don't care about narratives, I mean what people can be expected to do: so Obama gave Bush II three second terms of foreign policy and authoritarianism despite running on "hope and change" (and now all those awful things are bipartisan, sigh).  I gave up on political discourse in news magazines and opinion pieces a decade ago because its so dishonest.  I have a bad feeling that opinion pieces are like twitter: people are speaking to fellow travellers while being sure they are striking mighty blows against the wicked people in that other faction.

Of all the things in the platform that staffers wrote for him after careful focus-grouping, what is Biden talking about?  A lot of that will be there because he feels obliged to have a position on that topic this year, so what does his life suggest he is actually committed to?

My impression is that Hillary Clinton's life and career strongly suggested that she was basically conservative (in a small-c sense), incrementalist, and very comfortable with the Washington bureaucracy's way of seeing the world, so whatever was in her platform she would not push for change outside the bounds that an Obama was comfortable with. 
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