Discussion: New Faction Units

[ahowl11]

Just go through the current rosters in the OP and let me know if I am missing anything or if I am wrong anywhere.

[Mausolos of Caria]

Okay, sure. It mostly looks good now.

RENAME all Greek/Hellenistic skirmishers/javelinmen Psiloi.

Antigonids

ADD Paionian skirmishers


Seleucids

ADD Neocretan Archers - Reform unit

ADD Agrianian Peltasts (restrict them somehow)

ADD Lonchophoroi (will also need to find a restriction) - Reform unit

RENAME Hypaithroi back to Allied Phalangites, as I said before I can't say it's legit


Ptolemies

ADD Neocretan Archers- Reform Unit


Hellenic States (Pergamon, Cyrene, Epiros, Bactria)

Ask Bercor for Bactria, the rest is fine.


Greek States and Cities

REMOVE Hippakontistai - as I said before

REMOVE Thorakitai - same

REMOVE Xystophoroi - same

ADD Thorakitai for Syracuse, Massalia & Achaian League - Reform unit

ADD Sarmatian Cavalry for Bosporan Empire - Reform unit

ADD Ligurian Warriors for Massalia


That should be everything, you can add Pontos in the opening post

[Mausolos of Caria]

No update yet? 

[Bercor]

Ahowl, you're breaking Mausolos' heart!

[ahowl11]

Sorry Mausolos, I've been really busy with work and school lately and have not had much time to do much other than read what is being said. I'll get to it soon!

[Mausolos of Caria]

Okay, no problem, just wanted to make sure you have it in mind since I mentioned some things twice or thrice now and it would be pointless to do it again

[Mausolos of Caria]

Some new knowledge I found out:

It seems we were doubtful about funditores before, but they were actually important both in auxiliary cohorts and in the legion and are attested from the 3rd century BC to the 3rd century AD.

Cretan sphendonetai (Crete) (slingers) - archaeological findings on Crete imply that slingers were actually more important than archers for Cretan civic armies. They seem to have been much rarer used as mercenaries than toxotai, but were surely skilled warriors and more deadly than the common Greek slinger.

[ahowl11]

All other finds have been added to OP as well as the Pontic Roster. I didn't add Funditores. The Funditores were just the name given to the Balearic and Rhodian Slingers that were used by Rome.

[Mausolos of Caria]

Mmh yeah that's actually true. They also used Akarnanian slingers, apparently. But the main thing would be to give the Romans access to those troops then. perhaps funditores barracks similar to the mercenary centers of other factions?


We should also add Cyrtian slingers in the East as AOR troops. I remember RTR 6 had them everywhere from Bithynia to Palaestina to India as mercenaries  It's even mentioned on wikipedia haha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrtian

Now more serious evidence is here... Livius mentions them as Pergamene auxiliaries when they fought alongside the Romans:

 Liv. 42 58

[13] The centre was held by Quintus Mucius with a picked body of volunteer cavalry. On their front were posted 200 Gaulish troopers and 300 Cyrtians from the auxiliary troops brought by Eumenes; 400 Thessalian cavalry were drawn up a short distance beyond the Roman left.

And Polybios describes them among the ranks of the army of the rebel Seleucid satrap Molon:

Polyb. 52, 5

(...) 5 being anxious if possible to gain the hilly part of the territory of Apollonia, as he relied on the numbers of his force of slingers known as Cyrtii.

[ahowl11]

Yeah they will be added.

[Tekowiāt]

Hey guys, I've been asked for the Armenian and Parthian rosters, and to improve on the Pontic one if I can. It'll take some research obviously, but for now, here's the—local—Parthian units.

Missile Infantry
Iranian Foot Archers
Iranian Slingers

Melee Infantry
Iranian Infantry
Parthian Spearmen *Reform Unit

Cavalry
Iranian Horse Archers
Parthian Lesser Nobility
Parthian Heavy Cavalry
Royal Retainers *Bodyguard Unit

Also my suggestions for the Mithradatid Kingdom (should be called this instead of 'Pontus'):

Missile Infantry
Iranian Foot Archers (Instead of plain old 'Archers')

Melee Infantry
Iranian Infantry
Anatolian Infantry

Cavalry
Cappadocian Landholders
Scythed Chariots

[Bercor]

Seems like reasonable suggestions.

I agree with the name change, but to "Mithridatid Kingdom" and not "Mithradatid Kingdom".

[Bercor]

I would like to suggest the African infantry model from RTRVII:

It's probably, the sweetest looking unit I've ever seen.

[Mausolos of Caria]

Not Mithridatic Kingdom?  Also, yeah, the model is great and I think I also suggested it before.

As for Pontos, yeah I just saw ahowl screwed the Cappadocian Cavalry in the opening post  Tekowiāt, you see ''Perso'' under Cavalry? That was to be ''Perso- Cappadocian landholders/noble cavalry'' and would be the same as you suggested. I also think I suggested scythed chariots, but perhaps I forgot them.

Wouldn't ''Anatolian Infantry'' be the same as Pontic Spearmen? Obviously they could also be drawn from nearby regions, but I thought calling them ''Pontic'' would show the difference since your faction is Pontos.

As for Iranian Infantry, in both cases, would these be like Sparabara then?

[Bercor]

I prefer using "d" instead of "c", it gives a greeker (if that's a word) inflection, like Antigonid or Seleucid.

And yes, Pontus definitely needs some kind of lighter Cataphract cavalry.